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Erusen 15/Dec/2004 at 02:48 PM
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I just started reading the Hobbit and it is a great book!And i was thinking that they should definatly make a  movie about it and i have hearing some rumours flying around that they might be making  it into a movie and maybe if any one knows the facts if they could post them

Sáralissë 15/Dec/2004 at 04:15 PM
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I dont know if this is the right thread to post that topic in.... but anyway, The Hobbit is a great book. I think they are supposed to make a Hobbit movie, but it won’t come out for a while. they might use some of the same actors they used in LOTR. thats about all I know right now.
Eliad Belegaur 15/Dec/2004 at 06:18 PM
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Indeed, I have heard rumors as well, but nothing specific in particular. I would loooovee a hobbit movie, and it would be sweet to see it. And the return of gollum as well! I’m sure that there will be enough interest among the ’ahem’ fans for them to seriously consider doing such a film.
Rimmy Rubyhill 15/Dec/2004 at 06:36 PM
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Oy, not another The Hobbit Movie Post... Oh well...

LT Won’t give the rights up to the Hobbit...It probably will never happen.  Everyone has petitioned and everything.  It would be nice for it to be made into a movie, but It wouldn’t be what everyone expects.  The actors (such as Gollum and Bilbo) Probably won’t do the Hobbit (and Gollum will never be the same without Andy Circus *sniffle)  There is also a lot of information to fill one movie with...

I stand the exact same on the book the Silmarillian, but that will NEVER be made into a movie *locks up the rights to it  and eats the key*

MorgothBaugliar 15/Dec/2004 at 06:54 PM
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Somewhere floating around on the internet is a trailer or a clip of some executives discussing a Hobbit movie release scheduled for late 2006, so don’t get your hopes down while it is unlikely!  And when it does come out in 2006 and all of you worship me...make sure i get lots of fan points and lembas wafers...I love them lembas wafers...Oh and wouldnt Sean Connery be a good voice for Smaug...
winthrop139 15/Dec/2004 at 07:01 PM
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If it happens under PJ, it definitely wouldn’t happen for a while. He’s tied up right now filming King Kong and will be for a while, and he has also said that he wants to take a bit of a break from LotR. Although I wouldn’t mind a different person at the helm (I didn’t like some of the changes PJ made), it would be nice to have a Hobbit film with the same style of the rest of trilogy.
thegrey17 15/Dec/2004 at 07:43 PM
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Wow winthrop139, I greatly agree with you!  Although I feel that director Peter Jackson did indeed make some terrific movies, I feel that they differed from the books in some ways that I felt shouldn’t be changed.  However, I’m not sure that another director would make the book any more accurate, and Jackson has proved himself at least capable of making great movies, even if they aren’t as good as the books.
thegrey17 15/Dec/2004 at 07:43 PM
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Wow winthrop139, I greatly agree with you!  Although I feel that director Peter Jackson did indeed make some terrific movies, I feel that they differed from the books in some ways that I felt shouldn’t be changed.  However, I’m not sure that another director would make the book any more accurate, and Jackson has proved himself at least capable of making great movies, even if they aren’t as good as the books.
thegrey17 15/Dec/2004 at 07:44 PM
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woops, I didn’t mean to do that.  Sorry.

Caéwýn 15/Dec/2004 at 07:49 PM
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I know this has been discussed somewhere before, tis always hard, they are two different media, they do two different things because of what they have to work with. Some things in the book are best left to the imagination, PJ adapted a movie that both those who had and those who had not read the book could relate to. I had not read the book before I saw the movies, and after I did read it, understood clearly why the interpretation was as it was. I was confused seeing the movies for the first time as it was!

Tril Beeblebrox 15/Dec/2004 at 07:49 PM
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I have no idea how many threads have been started on this topic but the same thing is said in everyone, the Hobbit was a fantastic book and it would be great if they could make a great movie out of it but no one can get the rights to the book because they are tied up in a whole lot of legal mumbo jumbo which is such a huge pity because it would be fantastic to see it made into a book. Peter Jackson wanted to make it before Lord of the Rings but was unable.
Ashen Shugar 16/Dec/2004 at 02:50 AM
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There is a lot of talk indeed, but there is no way they are going to make it with this legal mess they find themselves in. I know people talk about 2005 and 2006 but it is just pointless talk because the movie rights are not there, there is no legal clarity so that is it. The SIl you can forget, CT holds those and nobody is ever getting their hands on that, I can guarantee it.

Rimmy Rubyhill 16/Dec/2004 at 04:35 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by MorgothBaugliar on Wednesday, December 15, 2004
Oh and wouldnt Sean Connery be a good voice for Smaug...

 

Ha ha *rofl* But yes... I wouldn’t see them getting into a legal mess, and by 2006 would PJ still want to do it?  I really hope it doesn’t get made into a movie as I said, It would ruin it (No i’m not knocking down PJ... but you saw my reasons above)  It would also be confusing... So many Dwarves... I can barely keep them all straight in the book, I had to read it a few times... (that was the first time, i’ve read it about 50 since then)

An Capall Dubh 16/Dec/2004 at 05:12 AM
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Ashen Shugar is right,talking about 2005 or 2006 is certainly pointless,tosort out the rights can take a long time,mainly because there’s a lot of money involved.s said,everyone can forget about the Silmarillion,Christopher Tolkien has seen what happened with LOTR,he will never sell the rights because of this and he is right.
MouthOfSauron69 16/Dec/2004 at 07:18 AM
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Again, I don’t think the Hobbit should be made into a film (and I don’t believe it ever will be)...
On the whole I think that it would wreck the book for me. I’m one of the lucky ones in that watching the film version of the book hasn’t altered the Middle-Earth that I had in my head before I ever saw the films... The characters in my head and their appearances haven’t changed to those that are in the movie. I don’t want to take a chance with that happening with The Hobbit.
Although PJ did a great job with the LOTR, I don’t actually want him to make the hobbit. Too much was changed (although, in some instances had to be changed) in the movie version.
John-Rhys Davies was right when he was talking about Galadriel giving him 3 hairs from her "Golden Head"... to actually DO that on screen would look ridiculous. There are many instances in the book, where to translate directly to the big screen would just look ridiculous.
Also, without a previous cartoon and radio version of the Hobbit where would he get ideas from
(and here was me hoping that my first post would be some kind of a revelation - oh well)
Rimmy Rubyhill 16/Dec/2004 at 08:33 AM
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So is CT mad at the movies?

I never really heard his part f the story, and did he willingly give up the rights?  For some reason I forget this all being said in the Appendicies (if it even was)... and I just started watching the FOTR ones yesterday (again, for the millionth time)...

I hope CT stands his ground and doesn’t give the rights.  I’d be willing to sign a petition against the forming of the movie The Hobbit.  Let us have one book to ourselves that we can form our on perception on the story line, characters, and scenery.

Ashen Shugar 16/Dec/2004 at 10:19 AM
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Irime - he had nothing to do with the rights to LotR, JRRT himself sold those for some silly sum of money (10 000$ I think), it was a matter of taxes if I remember correctly so CT couldn’t do a thing with it, he had no influence whatsover. From what I have read he was not at all pleased, and he pretty much refused to make any comment after FotR came out, there was a lot of talk though. He and the Tolkien Society think they should not be turned into the movies, I know a lot of people from TS even refused to see these. The Hobbit, well it’s a mess for those rights as I said already, but the Sil is his, and he won’t give it up.
Celegrimdor 16/Dec/2004 at 11:13 AM
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Who is LT? I figure CT is Christopher Tolkien right?
I myself think the hobbit would be an alright movie though. I think it would be cool to try and remember who all the dwarves are.
There is another thread about this somewhere. Talking about MGM wants to do it. I think if it does get made, Newline needs to. And there isnt that much in the hobbit that would have to get cut out. If they make a 3 - 3 1/2 movie they could fit most of the book. I have heard somewhere that PJ wants to do the movie, and so does Elijah, Sean, Billy, and Dom. There are reports that it will be out by late 2007 if not early 2008.
The sil wont ever be made thats for sure.

Searogim 17/Dec/2004 at 02:42 PM
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I’m not sure that I agree that the Hobbit should be made into a movie, not just because I think that there may be a lot of changes made to the story, but I also am not sure that it would be that sucessful.  People would go to see it expecting to see more like LOTR, but would be disappointed with what they saw.
Celegrimdor 19/Dec/2004 at 11:19 PM
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I dont think it would be that disappointing. I think even if the whole movie wasnt that action packed and what not, if they took some time and made an awesome Smaug would make up for it. And I am talking better then the dragons in Dungeons and Dragons thos dragons were cool looking, but if they make the movie Smaug better look awesome.
Luinëfalath 20/Dec/2004 at 02:09 AM
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I dont think a movie of the hobbit should be made, because it would only be over dramatised and blown up into a big deal, just like LOTR.

The Lord of the Rings has been made now, PJ and his cronies have made a nice healthy sum out of it, made loads of mistakes and wot not, now lets leave the rest of Tolkiens work as it is!
cioLAN 20/Dec/2004 at 03:47 AM
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But it IS going to appease the appetite for LotR. It could also help those who make it earn great cash but only if a better film producer than PJ makes it. He is good at making films but in the last two parts of LotR he recreated the entire plot. That’s not what a film producer should do. Shame on you, Peter Jackson!
Rithralinde 20/Dec/2004 at 12:07 PM
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I think it would be great to have a Hobbit movie.  I would also want it to be done by PJ so it would be similar and have the same style as the LOTR movies.  Hopefully, he would be able to put more from the book and not change as much. 
Perlammenion 20/Dec/2004 at 12:24 PM
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The Hobbit would make a great movie.  The plot would fit a movie easily.  The all of the dwarven characters would make it a little difficult to follow. 

Hope they make one soon if they do!  I know I would see it opening day!

Peter Jackson would be a good chocie to run it 

Drachn’yel 21/Dec/2004 at 05:46 AM
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I’m sure in the end money will talk and we’ll get the movie - there is just too much to gain I think for the rights issue not to be sorted out.  I think Peter Jackson would do it if given the chance and he’d be able to talk Ian McKellen and Ian Holm into reprising their roles again.  I’d personally really love it if it happened.
Kuna 21/Dec/2004 at 06:14 AM
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 I’ve heard rumors too about the Hobbit being made into a film too. I’ve read the book too and think that it would be another great sucsess. Though if they changed the people that play the characters in the film I think it would take me some time to get used to it. I also wouldn’t like the characters if they changed. Of course PJ probbably will make the film but he will have to get the rights.

Delphi 21/Dec/2004 at 09:40 AM
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Ashen Shugar- your name is from the third greatest series of books ever, after LotR and HP(Harry Potter) I love those books.

Anyway- I think that the Hobbit would be a great movie. I ’ve been talking to friends about this and they all agree that it would be amazing.  Plus, it’s not really as difficult to catch the flava of the Hobbit as it was to catch TTT’s. The one scene I would be absolutely upset if they cut it out would be Bilbo saving the dwarves from the Spiders.  Oh yeah, the Silmarillion will never be made into a movie because the timeline is so long.

 

"Attercop, attercop!"

Leafa 21/Dec/2004 at 10:01 AM
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All legalities and rights aside, I would really like to see the Hobbit made into a movie. I think that the text is short enought and if proper care were used it could turn out very nicely. The more child oriented style of the Hobbit would lend itself well to film. As to PJ directing it, I can go either way with that. 

Does literature turn into public domain at some point?
Dùnadan 21/Dec/2004 at 10:46 AM
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This is true indeed. PJ said that is would be finiched in 2006, but I doubt that it would be finiched at that point. but yes it is a great book, and sooner or later it would be a great film to. and somthing more for us here on plaza to disuss.. hehe

Ishmael 21/Dec/2004 at 06:20 PM
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All I heard so far was rumers and nothing more. I think it will make an awsome movie, it gives you the history of Bilbo and how ahe aquired the ring. Gandalf uses alot of magic in it which would be really cool. I will also really look forward to the Battle of five armies for 5 reasons

1) An army of Elves

2)An army of Dwarves

3)An army of Men

4)an army of Warg riding orcs

5)an army of Eagles.

Not to mention Smaug who would be awsome and the Journey to Lake Town. It would make a trully exciting movie. 

Daywalker 22/Dec/2004 at 08:35 AM
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I would like to see Beorn.What kind of man/bear he would be.The Hobbit was a great book and it would be a great film.I hope that in  movie there will be a scene where Gandalf,Bilbo  and the dwarfs are in the tree and the Orcs and wolfs are trying to get to them.
Lunadil 22/Dec/2004 at 08:57 AM
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Wow, a movie of "The Hobbit" would be so great!  I know there’s the whole thing about whether or not even the lotr trilogy should have bbeeen made into a film or not, but PJ did such a good job with it that I think it would be great to see him do something just as wonderful with "The Hobbit".  I would also love to see the Battle of the Five Armies, if PJ could create battle scenes like he did last time thise scenes would be amazing!

Well, no one thought the lotr would ever be made into a film because of the complications with the rights and stuff but is was, so hopefully TH will go the same way!

witchking_19 23/Dec/2004 at 10:23 PM
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definitely , the hobbit would make a great movie, I can imagine how great the scenes of the battle of the five armies would look.
Lùthien Oronra 24/Dec/2004 at 01:47 AM
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In my opinion, "The Hobbit" would make a truly fantastic movie!  It has all the ingredients of a great adventure/fantasy movie, and I would definately see it if it was released.  However - there is a chance that it will not be made, because of the film-rights (as stated above).  It is my wish that Peter Jackson will someday make this movie though.
Beren of old 24/Dec/2004 at 05:50 AM
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It seems like talk is all it is at this stage. I’m sure producers and the heads of Cinema companies know that it could rake in a serious amount of money after the success of The Lord of the Rings trilogy. It could however, as mentioned, be a complete flop and dissapoint us all!! I suppose it depends on who does it. But it would be a bit bad if the original actors didn’t play the parts alright.
Tengwe 25/Dec/2004 at 01:51 PM
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It would be great to have a Hobbit movie but to gather up all the actors and get the rights to the movie would be like pulling teeth.  Not to mention the sheer magnitude of the scenes that would have to be in the movie in order to make the movie be any where near as good as the book.  Oh and if Tom Bombadil was left out of LoTR then don’t you think that Beorn would be left out as well.  And for any of you that would like to see the Silmarillon on the big screen don’t hold your breath, that book would nearlly be impossible to make into a movie.  You would have to deal with the entrance of men like turin, tuor, etc. but how would you do that with the elves being around way before the coming of men.  Oh my goodness, I would love to see the Silmarillion as a movie, but it would be so difficult.
Tovril 25/Dec/2004 at 08:51 PM
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Hmm.... I beleive teh Hobbit may be becoming a Movie. PJ will be directing it, if he gets the go ahead. And all of the cast members will likely be from teh first movie. Or at least that was said. I thinkit was on teh news.
Melethron 27/Dec/2004 at 01:55 PM
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Wait, wait, wait. From what I know, MGM already has the production rights to make the Hobbit, just like they had the rights to make the LotR films, however, New Line has the distribution rights, which makes for a nice dilemma. Yes there has been some legal things flying around because of it, but according to some movie sources, MGM isn’t doing so well, while New Line is flourishing, so NL may end up buying a section of MGM, along with the rights to produce the Hobbit. From what I’ve read in interviews, Andy Serkis, Ian McKellen, and Ian Holm are all willing to do it, but Ian Holm is a little uncertain whether they would want to cast him, or someone younger, since they had to tape up his face to make him look young enough for his brief "young Bilbo" appearance in the LotR.
Searogim 27/Dec/2004 at 05:07 PM
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Well I thought that MGM and New Line had a deal to do with making the movies, but that all fell through so it was uncertain whether a movie would be made.
Whilst I have nothing against Ian Holme I don’t think he should be cast as Bilbo.  I know they made him look younger for LOTR, but I just can’t see even the younger version of Bilbo doing all the things he is supposed to do in the books.

Kale Silvermane 27/Dec/2004 at 05:30 PM
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Personally I don’t think it shall happen. And then if it does will it live up to our standards? I don’t think so, I don’t think the Lord of the Rings fans would like seeing their beloved characters being played by someone else. I for one wouldn’t like it very much if we had a different Gandalf, Bilbo, or Smeagle. And I don’t that alot of others would like it very much as well. And as for the legal mumbo lumbo, I just don’t see it happening.
Rindurion 29/Dec/2004 at 03:18 AM
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This link: http://www.petitiononline.com/hobfilm/petition.html gives you the oportunity to give your signature to get The Hobbit made as a movie. I don’t know if it will help, but it’s still worth using 1 minute of your life signing up for something that you want (if you want it though). 
Satanta 29/Dec/2004 at 04:00 AM
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Never gonna happen. This rumour’s been flyin around since before the age of....kings, (or something exceptionally witty). The movie won’t happen coz it’ll never live up to anyone’s standards (i mean look at all the slugging off the films are getting now, and they couldn’t have done much better. And it won’t happen, coz PJ won’t do it, and others will be intimidated.
Aisil 29/Dec/2004 at 05:40 AM
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That would be really, really cool *drools over the thought of it* but just as satanta sais, I don`t think it`ll be likely that it will happen because Peter Jackson once said that he isn`t going to do that and can you imagine anyone who dares to do it if PJ doesn`t want to? I mean, I think everyone is affraid that his movie shall not be as good as Lord of the rings wich shall probably be true because I can`t imagine a movie better than The lord of the rings.
Ashen Shugar 29/Dec/2004 at 05:48 AM
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well the problem would of course be with those who hadn’t read the hobbit and they would be then most probably disappointed for it is a rather different book to Lord of the Rings. I am pretty sure they would spice it up, with Smaug and all, but it cannot be close since the books are so different. Again considering that the majority would expect something similar, there probably would be a lot of disappointed people.
Eldwine 29/Dec/2004 at 06:49 AM
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 Well I’ve been wondering the same since this summer I was over at my friends house and he took me to a site with a The Hobbit trailer on it! Sorry i forget the site but at the end,it sayed "Smaug awakens 2006" so I thik they are making and they have Ian Mckellen ( i dont know if this is the correct spelling or name) and the actor that played Bilbo and they even have the smae Shire set! the only difference I can see in Gandalf is that his beard is a little whiter and he wheres a blue hat. I think Peter Jackson isn’t directing it because he’s caught up in King-Kong or something well i hope that anwsers your question!
Celinawyn 29/Dec/2004 at 12:04 PM
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A Hobbit movie is certainly in the planning stages, but I have not heard anything definite about it yet: only that they have to sort out the issue of film and copyright laws. It would be good to have to same actors for Gandalf and for Bilbo, because a change on that side would be somewhat strange, because we have all gotten used to the faces by now. I only hope the director, whoever it will be, will stay a close to the book as possible.
Tengwe 31/Dec/2004 at 03:52 PM
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Everyone is mentioning that you need the same actors and that they are going to be the same, but it seems that no one is remembering, or just not writing about, Hugo Weaving.  Elrond will have to be in The Hobbit as well will he not?  I would hate to see someone else as Elrond.  I also think that it would be nice to see Orlando Bloom make a small cameo while they are in Mirkwood.  Just a thought.
Searogim 31/Dec/2004 at 04:09 PM
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I kind of agree with you Tengwe, I wouldn’t mind Legolas making a cameo in Mirkwood, but it would have to be just a brief appearence.  Legolas is not mentioned in the book so it would be wrong if he was given a huge part (as I suspect they would do).
Holly Dunami 31/Dec/2004 at 07:59 PM
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As mentioned before, the rights to LoTR were given away at a ridiculously low price. Tolkien himself said that he thought that the books were unfilmable. They would make horrible movies. Now, that leaves me to wonder if Tolkien would be pleased with what has happened thus far. Do you think he would want us to make these movies? I personally love the movies, and I would love to see The Hobbit as a film. But, I do not think that it would be very film friendly. There are so many wars and so many dwarves and so much background information, that it would be very hard to put on screen. I think Peter would do a great job, but I don’t know if anyone could do it justice.

Cyclona 01/Jan/2005 at 08:25 PM
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Well, the rights labyrinth have been overcome by a number of people, because there’s already at least ONE Hobbit cartoon film in existance already,  isn’t there!? I think that this is a spiel that all the actors  involved in t LOTR have been instructed to say to the media.  I’m fairly certain Peter Jackson filmed some Hobbit footage with Sir Ian while the outdoor Hobbiton set existed.  They knew the fans would go nuts either way if any word is ever released about a potential Hobbit film, before pre-production. I think there has been discussion about a live-action Hobbit film between Peter Jackson & Newline since FOTR was a huge box office success that first year. I’m sure there’s at least one or more NewLine employees who are working on solving the rights issues full time.

Peter Jackson himself drops hints in the EE DVD of ROTK. You know, where he says that the next time we see him he’ll be old and grey on the 25th Anniversary Edition of the DVD’s then he casually mentions his hope that we’ll see him before that. 

I can just see it.  There’s no product placement in any of the films, but there’s legions of off-shoot marketing surrounding the films.  Almost a necessary evil these days.  And with the Hobbit film, there’ll be a theatrical release and then a DVD edition with crucial extra scenes, then a boxed set of the LOTR and the Hobbit DVD EE’s....with a special "limited edition" slip cover.....I can just see it now.......

Maethos 01/Jan/2005 at 11:37 PM
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I agree with you, The Hobbit would be a great movie and it was hinted on a program by one of the actors. I think the actor was Viggop Mortensen (Aragorn). I would especially like to see what the dragon looks like.
Maethos 01/Jan/2005 at 11:39 PM
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Sorry

Viggo

bezzabud 02/Jan/2005 at 11:34 AM
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that would be an ace movie!!!  
Eruantalon_ 02/Jan/2005 at 01:47 PM
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Well first off the movieThe Hobbit would be an awesome movie but it wouldn’t  be as good as lotr definately not enough action for today’s standards. I woulslove to see the hobbit but I don’t think they are going to make it. I would definately like to see the Battle of Five Armies and Beren (sp?) and of course Attercop, Attercop.
uruk-asharak 08/Jan/2005 at 05:18 AM
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I think it would surely be a great movie perhaps even better than the lord of the rings just image the battle of the five armies wow and then smaug the dragon awsome . I hope Peter Jackson decides to direct it he made a great jobb with the lord of the rings. The hobbit was the first book ive read concernig middlearth and it will always have a special place in my hart. Have a little fate i think they gone make the movie i saw a trailer it was awsome ..

Elenor16 08/Jan/2005 at 09:36 AM
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 I agree with  uruk-asharak I think it would be brilliant for the hobbit to be made into an armie because i would love to see what smaug looks like. There hasnt been a dragon in the lotr movies so it would be great to see a new creature in the middle earth films. Though I have to say there would be a lack of elves for me, and too many dwarves, no affence to any one of course. Drawves are great! I just prefer elves.
Smeagól 08/Jan/2005 at 10:05 AM
Builder of the Shire Points: 1316 Posts: 457 Joined: 11/Apr/2003
I hope the Hobbit is made into a movie. It will be really cool to see Smaug!! If there is a hobbit movie I hope that Ian Mcellen is gandalf. If the hobbit is done i think PJ should do it because dispite the changes he made to LotR they were still very cool