Frodo leaning OVER a balcony in Rivendell.........

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Eldwine 23/Dec/2004 at 08:14 PM
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 When Frodo is looking out of the balcony in Rivendell he is leaning over the railing,wich is weird because..Hobbits - short , Elves - Tall. So how could Peter J. miss this mistake?! it is so obvious or is this Balcony somehow cunstructed specially for hobbits??
Telhuaniel 23/Dec/2004 at 08:59 PM
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I think that it was just a mistake, because they have to change all the heights of the hobbits and dwarves to seem like the way Tolkien meant it to be, but they couldn’t see everything. I noticed that too, and I thought that maybe it was made for baby elves. I really think it was just a mistake.
VardaElbereth 23/Dec/2004 at 09:36 PM
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Why of course what happened is the Elves built a special balcony for Bilbo and Frodo just happened across it!
witchking_19 23/Dec/2004 at 10:14 PM
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it was just another one of the numerous mistakes in the lord of the rings movies. it’s weird how lord of the rings being a masterpiece has some of the most noticeable mistakes, but well it isn’t worth bragging about it.
Machiavellian 23/Dec/2004 at 11:02 PM
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Hrm... Yes, this was one of the very few mistakes that I had actually noticed... Actually, it may be the only one, but anyway, yeah, I suppose it’s a bit of an error... And I believe that this was also featured in Time, or was that Newsweek? I can’t really remember, but they had been discussing mistakes in that said article...
Uruviel Lówen 24/Dec/2004 at 12:23 AM
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Yes, the balcony in Rivendell is one of those little things that makes me stop and think. It’s always felt just a smidgen uncomfortable to me because if it’s a balcony for elves and Frodo is leaning over it, then it’s not a very secure balcony for those elves. But then again, they’re elves and pehaps don’t need a balcony so much to prevent an accident as for aesthethics.
Lùthien Oronra 24/Dec/2004 at 01:39 AM
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Hahaha!    Well, this scene had always looked a little strange to me but I could not think quite why!  Of course - the balcony is too low!  Why hadn’t I got that earlier?!  Oh well....  Yes, I suppose this must simply have been a mistake - things were made different sizes for Hobbits and Men/Elves, this must just have slipped the notice of the department in charge of such things!
Beren of old 24/Dec/2004 at 05:54 AM
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Yeah indeeed that was one of the first EVER mistakes noticed by fanatics like you and I all over the world. It was a bit of a hickup on their part, but not something that is that noticable or that takes away from the story line or anything like that!! I don’t think that they had any proportional mistakes then after that. That one kind of set them straight.
Searogim 24/Dec/2004 at 07:07 AM
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Does this have to be a mistake?  Is it not possible that the elves just had different tastes to us and liked to have their balconies much lower than we would consider normal, meaning that it would look like a normal height balcony against a hobbit? 
Lùthien Oronra 24/Dec/2004 at 09:55 AM
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Haha!    I like your way of thinking, Searogim, I like it very much indeed!  I suppose it could always be just a case of differing design tastes between Elves and Hobbits, although I think it was simple a movie-mistake.  Never mind though....it was a lovely thought! 
Witch_King0 24/Dec/2004 at 10:50 AM
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Wasn’t he in Bilbo Baggins apartment specially made for him by the Elfs because he was moving to live in Rivindell and he aided and did many things for them and it was the scene before Bilbo gives Frodo his Mithril Coat and his glowing STING sword (Glows when goblins orces near by) i might be wroung no watch Lord of the Rings Fellowship of the Ring if not it could just be a set mistake have you go an image of this scene if you do post it in im sure their should be on blooper/mistake website :)
Searogim 24/Dec/2004 at 03:30 PM
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Well yeah I think it was probably a mistake as well Luthien Oronra, but I have a strange way of thinking and I really don’t know why the elves would want to have such small balconies, I had to just put that point across .
Drachn’yel 24/Dec/2004 at 05:19 PM
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The room may have been for Hobbits (Or dwarves) and the balcony constructed with this in mind.....maybe it was Bilbo’s before hand.  Though I doubt it, it was probably just an over-sight on the part of Peter Jackson and the editing team....D’oh!
Rimmy Rubyhill 24/Dec/2004 at 09:45 PM
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Wasn’t it Bilbo’s Room though?  I swear that I read that somewhere in a discussion about this before.  If the elves knew ahead of time of Bilbo’s stay, I’m sure they would have made special accomadations for him.  I’m pretty sure the room is Bilbos. (Correct me if I’m horribly wrong)
Star Flower 24/Dec/2004 at 11:22 PM
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I am always in a sense of awe when I read this very observant mistakes.  I am the first one to admit that these type of things never ever occur to me. Though I have to agree, maybe it was because it was a hobbit quarters... like in Bree. Where the roooms were made especially for Hobbits. I might be wrong of course...and it could be a movie mistake. Eru knows theres thousands of them.
Ashen Shugar 25/Dec/2004 at 01:56 AM
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Count me in for this one as well Star, I never thought of the balcony thing too. Of course now that you have drawn my attention to it I find it more than a little funny actually. Ha! Well I don’t think it was done so on purpose, like Hobbit quarters, but who knows ... I think it was more of a mistake that they totally overlooked. I think it is such a natural thing to do, lean over, that no one stopped to think about the heights! Well spotted!!
Silver_sprite 26/Dec/2004 at 02:45 PM
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I never noticed this, bless him, i guess it was another one of those things that Peter Jackson turned a blind eye to and hoped that we would also follow suit! I am stil very impressed that they managed to keep it that realistic conmsidering how maany objects they probably had to change in order to keep the height beliveable, still nice one for spotting that!
SaRailei Banba 26/Dec/2004 at 07:01 PM
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I did notice this.  I didn’t really think a lot about it though.  Do you think that maybe Elrond could’ve had special guest rooms within Rivendell  with balconies designed just for hobbits?
Aranor 26/Dec/2004 at 07:14 PM
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I did not notice that but i cant beleive he made that mistake but there is another thing the wall doesnt have to be at the hight of the elves it could just be a small wall in which frodo can reach that is one reason why so if you put it like that it is not really a mistake but since you saw it i guess Peter jackson could have made the hobbit jump or something
Seles 27/Dec/2004 at 08:17 AM
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Hm, I think I’m more or less in support of Searogim’s suggestion! There is this slightly possibility that they could have designed that balcony in that height for the hobbits. Or it could have been nothing more than another movie mistake, since they had already produced the set and the hobbits were the only characters being featured in that shot so either PJ missed this (though I doubt he would have) or he was forced to overlook this. I mean, remaking an entire set just because of this detail? Probably a little too costly for the budget.
Celairistannen 27/Dec/2004 at 09:46 AM
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Hahaha, great observation! I noticed yet never in that way, of course that is strange watching a low balcony fence in Rivendell. Although, there could be another possibilities and not just consider these fact as a mistake. Maybe the Elves really have in Rivendell special Hobbits or Dwarfs rooms. These place from what a get is always full with travelers from all ME places, so could be adapted in some rooms for travelers.

 

Melethron 27/Dec/2004 at 01:38 PM
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Yeah, just a scale mistake there. In order for them to get it proportionally right, they would have needed to construct it extra large, and apparently since Sean and Elijah probably weren’t the only ones that were going to use that particular set, they probably either A) didn’t think about it or B) didn’t think anything of it.
Nienna Nénharma 27/Dec/2004 at 07:53 PM
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 The room he came out of was for hobbits.. Remeber Bibo stayed with the elves
Kale Silvermane 28/Dec/2004 at 06:10 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Nienna Nénharma on Monday, December 27, 2004
 The room he came out of was for hobbits.. Remeber Bibo stayed with the elves
Yes, Bilbo did have his own room/house in Rivendale. Therefore one might, might be able to assume that it was built for Bilbo. And since that Bilbo is infact (yes scary I know) a hobbit, that it was built hobbit size. That would explain how the railing was so low. So when Frodo leaned upon it, it was the right size for a hobbit to lean on and look out.
Aisil 29/Dec/2004 at 06:07 AM
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Sounds like a mistake to me, I don`t think they would change all the balcony heights for just one hobbit who is living in Rivendell. I think it`s just a scale mistake. Though I didn`t even notice this, I just looked at the beauty of Rivendell not at the height of the balcony
Satanta 29/Dec/2004 at 06:32 AM
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I reckon the wall was in fact low enough for frodo to lean over, coz even if an elf ever did happen to slip an fall over the side (which is impossible because as we saw from legolas dancing on the oilephant in ROTK, they have immaculate balance,)but if the DID happen to get pushed or whatever, they’d just flip spring, turn an land hundreds of feet below like a cat slightly peeved that the joke went "too..far".
Vilya-Gaviel 29/Dec/2004 at 08:11 AM
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I must admit it does seem like a big, kind of ridiculous mistake.  Really for half an elf it would be about 3 to four feet and hobbits are three to four feet so it would be either at there heads or above them!  But, it was only one mistake, so I am not really that mad.  They just made that scene a tiny bit unlogical.  And Merry and Pippin wouldn’t be over it ever thought they were some of the tallest hobbits because they had not yet met Treebeard or drank the ent draught.
Celinawyn 29/Dec/2004 at 11:58 AM
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I do not think that it was necessarily a mistake with the low balcony. The elves of Imladris might have built the balcony just for its good looks and not because they intended to lean themselves onto it. For them it may be something like a low fence, but for Frodo it is as high as a balcony. You are right that it should be higher if it was indeed meant to be a balcony, but maybe it wasn’t as I said before. However, I may also be another one of those tiny little mistakes I never really care about.
Hot-Head 29/Dec/2004 at 12:29 PM
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yeah it was a mistake that the people in the continuity department should have taken care off. NOT PJ. stop blaming PJ for these lil mistakes. The man had months os tape to film and edit, it was up to everyone else to do their job.
Celinawyn 30/Dec/2004 at 06:38 AM
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fini- Not everyone is blaming PJ, but he was the one responsible for the whole movie and is the only one we can hold accountable for what was done. As all people stated in the interviews, PJ wanted to decide almost everything and he was the one who was finally responsible for what was done. Of course he must have been able to rely on his good team, but the team would have only changed it if PJ had told them to do so.
I never get upset about those lil mistakes, but about the changes to the storyline that were totally unnecessary.
gaffel 30/Dec/2004 at 07:38 AM
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I think that it was a mistake because in ROTK Frodo and Gandalf are leaning also over a balconi in Minas Tirith and there they didn’t built a special room for Frodo.

And I think that it is PJ his fault because I think that he has to check all that sort of details.
Machiavellian 01/Jan/2005 at 12:41 AM
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gaffel- I believe that you mean Pippin and Gandalf... And I remember watching an interview of Ian McKellen, on Late Night with Conan O’Brian I believe, and the movie clip was of him and Pippin in that scene on the balcony... And he had admitted that Billy Boyd had just been kneeling, so no special effects there... And it’s rather hard to tell that he’s just kneeling actually, but then again, I hardly ever notice the finer details...
gaffel 01/Jan/2005 at 06:04 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Machiavellian on Saturday, January 01, 2005
gaffel- I believe that you mean Pippin and Gandalf... And I remember watching an interview of Ian McKellen, on Late Night with Conan O’Brian I believe, and the movie clip was of him and Pippin in that scene on the balcony... And he had admitted that Billy Boyd had just been kneeling, so no special effects there... And it’s rather hard to tell that he’s just kneeling actually, but then again, I hardly ever notice the finer details...
Sorry, I thought it was Frodo but that can’t because they were split up. Sorry
*Lady*Eowyn* 01/Jan/2005 at 04:24 PM
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Well there could actually be two possibilities for this. The first one is that this was just a mistake and was missed during editing while they were fixing all of the other height issues. The second possibility is that there are hobbit-size rooms like Drachn’yel previously suggested. Since Bilbo was living there, he might have encouraged them to make small rooms.
Eowyn Aravis 01/Jan/2005 at 04:53 PM
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It may have been a mistake, but I think the room Frodo stayed in was really an After-Battle-Elf-Recovery-Room so when the elf felt like he was languishing in bed without nature they could put a little couch by the balcony.  It was so low that the elf could see over. 
masterdoun 02/Jan/2005 at 12:10 PM
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Eowyn Aravis’s comment may be true but I thought it was Bilbo’s room he was on the balcony of. If Eowyn’s statement is true it means it would be very unsafe. What if an elf went sleep-walking and fell over the edge while wounded. I know it’s stupid.

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Eowyn Aravis 04/Jan/2005 at 12:35 PM
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I thought Bilbo’s room was close to the ground.  I dunno.  If someone has time maybe they could check Bilbo’s room when he’s giving the mithril to the room Frodo stays in. 
Eowyn Aravis 04/Jan/2005 at 12:38 PM
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Oh yeah, I should have added this to the other post, but I didn’t think of it till I posted it.  Elves don’t sleep.  Remember in the book when the three hunters are really tired.  They all sleep except Legolas who lays down and goes into this trance like state, sort of like Gandalf, his eyes were open when Pippin went to steal the Palantir.  Of course if Gandalf could talk in his "Trance/sleep" then maybe a wounded elf could go on a trance walk looking for food or something.  It would be awful to be a known sleep walker for thousands of years.