The Moved Warg Battle

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Melethron 28/Dec/2004 at 03:22 PM
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Okay, so maybe I’m just saying this because of my own bias, but everyone remembers the warg battle in TTT, right? Does anyone remember from the book the battle that happens between the Fellowship and the wargs? It looks to me like PJ moved that for some unknown reason, other than to establish a more intimate connection between Aragorn and Brego. Personally, I would have much rather seen the Fellowship fighting the wargs, A) Because the scenes where the Fellowship was working as a team were amazing, B) It would have allowed for more Gandalf magic (which some may be opposed to, but it did happen in the book), and C) It would have given Boromir more screen time to establish his bond with the hobbits and develop his own character before he’s killed. Does anyone share my opinion?
Lord Círdan 28/Dec/2004 at 04:27 PM
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Okay, so maybe I’m just saying this because of my own bias, but everyone remembers the warg battle in TTT, right? Does anyone remember from the book the battle that happens between the Fellowship and the wargs? It looks to me like PJ moved that for some unknown reason, other than to establish a more intimate connection between Aragorn and Brego. Personally, I would have much rather seen the Fellowship fighting the wargs, A) Because the scenes where the Fellowship was working as a team were amazing, B) It would have allowed for more Gandalf magic (which some may be opposed to, but it did happen in the book), and C) It would have given Boromir more screen time to establish his bond with the hobbits and develop his own character before he’s killed. Does anyone share my opinion?
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I do agrre with this because i would alo like to see more magic from gandalf and I also thought that I really like th escenes with the fellowship and so I also shared this oppinion

Great mind think alike huh!

Star Flower 28/Dec/2004 at 07:41 PM
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Prince Imharil ~ Copying someone’s entire post in your textbook is a type of spam on the plaza. You do not need to post his entire post to make a point.
Mele ~ There were a lot of mistakes in the movies. I personally just shrug them off.  Though I fo agree with you, I would have loved to see more of Boromir.
Melethron 28/Dec/2004 at 11:08 PM
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Star: Of course! I don’t take any of the mistakes to heart (especially since the movies introduced me to Tolkien), I was just saying how much I would’ve rather seen the fellowship fight the wargs than the Rohirrim, for the reasons I said above. And that way Hama wouldn’t have had an early death (though no one really seemed to care).
Ashen Shugar 29/Dec/2004 at 01:39 AM
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No big surprise there that I do agree with you - I think in general we did not have enough character development in some cases - although it may not be a bad thing conisdering what they did to some ... most ... - but that battle would have been great. I do not mind Gandalf using his power when it is as in the books, I mind when something is added for Tolkien made a very clear line when it comes to ’magic’ in his world so actually I would have really liked to see it. The one PJ made didn’t work for me anyway, made Rohan look hopelessly pathetic.
Searogim 29/Dec/2004 at 10:55 AM
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Yeah I agree with you.  I have never liked the battle with the wargs in TTT movie, mainly because of the stupid edition of the whole Aragorn falling over the cliff saga.  I think it would have been nice to have had the wards in FOTR as it was in the books, and agree that this would have helped to have develop Boromirs character more.
Star Flower 29/Dec/2004 at 11:11 AM
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Mele ~ Aww, I cared that he died. I hated it when any of the good guys died. The one thing in the movie that killed me was everytime someone would die, I would feel a great sense of sadness and loss. But I’m just  very emotional. I’m happeh that you read the books after watching the movie.  Proof that the movies were good for something.
Lůthien Oronra 29/Dec/2004 at 11:38 AM
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Melethron:  I cared that Hama died!  It was so sad and unnecessary!    *sniffs*  Oh well!  This issue of moving the battle does seem rather unnecessary now you come to mention it.  At first I thought - "oh well, it’s no big deal" - but actually it is!  You are quite right - a lot of cool stuff could have happened if it had been filmed in FotR.  However, I have to say I do like the way in which Aragorn and Brego bond in TTT because of it.
Celinawyn 29/Dec/2004 at 11:41 AM
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I also disliked the battle with the wargs in TTT because I never quite understood why they had to add the whole Aragorn-falls-off-the-cliff thingy. The scene in the book in FOTR was very impressive and had quite an effect on me. I wonder why PJ decided to change that, because the original scene would have been scary enough to make with howling wolves. Boromir would have also had a more positive role then, but I guess that was not PJ’s intention.
Aerlin Findrel 31/Dec/2004 at 05:47 PM
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I’m usually pretty alright with the changes that Peter Jackson made in the Lord of the Rings movies, but this scene... is definetely still one of the scenes I have problems with. I suppose it would have been alright if they fought the Wargs, went on their way... but no, Aragorn had to fall off of a cliff and Legolas had to find the Evenstar in the clutches of a dying Orc!!   Maybe it had something to do with Arwen, and to show the bond between them again... which I guess is understandable to a point... but it could have been done by giving Aragorn a vision while he was sleeping... not after falling off of a cliff and floating downstream, only to be awakened by Brego! Grr. Silly!!