Tharbad in Minhyriath

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Maglor Anarion 05/Nov/2005 at 11:14 AM
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I recently opened the map of Middle Earth and suddenly I realized thet the long plains of Eriador were not always so empty and deserted as in the times of the end of the war of the ring. I found a place on the map that is called Tharbad. I actually found a few hints what this city once might have been, but nothing special. So thats why I want to open this discussion, for I am really interested in anything you all can tell me. For those, who do not know where it is, it´s (or used to be) a city west of Eregion on the shores of Mitheithel, in the place where the river is crossed by the greenway. So if anyone shoul know anything more about this ancient city, please tell us all.
Reynardine 05/Nov/2005 at 11:52 AM
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Tharbad, as you said, was a city of men in Eriador. I’m not sure when it was established. It was built next to the river Gwathlo (Greyflood), and the North-South road (later called the Greenway.) It was destroyed in the year 2911 in the Third Age, when the river flooded in the spring following the Fell Winter. That’s all I know about Tharbad, but perhaps there is more information somewhere.
Vugar 05/Nov/2005 at 12:05 PM
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Tharbad is held to be founded by Tar-Aldarion of Númenor roughly around S.A. 880. It was an important sea-port, containing the famous bridge that many used to cross. A fort was built there to guard the bridge. During the Second Age, it was essentially a port for exploration into Middle-earth by the Númenóreans. During the war between Gil-galad and Sauron, it was near Tharbad that a great victory of the war was secured by Tar-Minastir and his Númenóreans armada. I believe also it was a haven for the Faithful seeking to escape Númenor under the persecution of the King’s Men. It’s one constant purpose was of course being a great port of trade. Also, I believe King Aragorn Elessar sought to rebuild the port-city and refortify it, but I’d have to check my texts again.

Rochir Mumakdacil 05/Nov/2005 at 12:51 PM
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Vugar, I think you are confusing Tharbad with Vinyalonde/Lond Daer. Vinyalonde was founded by Tar Aldarion, as a port on the upper part of the estuary of the Gwathlo/Greyflood. Tharbad was much further upstream, and the future site of the city of Tharbad probably marked the limit of navigation for sea-going ships, and was the furthest up-river that Tar Aldarion ever wenr (see UT, Aldarion & Erendis, The Further Course of the Narrative).
Vugar 05/Nov/2005 at 02:23 PM
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Rochir, yes via my misreading of a note on an e-book.  Thank you for correcting me.

Tharbad was important also in the aspect that it helped maintain relations between Gondor and Arnor in a time of steady seperation.  Both kingdoms worked together to maintain the Bridge and the causeways, and a sufficient garrison of soldiers, mariners, and engineers was in place there until the 17th century of the Third Age.  It’s also the location where Boromir lost his horse on trip to Rivendell.

Durin of Moria 27/Nov/2006 at 05:54 PM
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Tharbad during the time of Tar-Aldarion is only a ford, as told in The Unfinished tales. But during Elendil’s return to Middle-Earth, it developed into a city-port, and is told that was deserted during the Great Plague.
Qtpie 27/Nov/2006 at 08:14 PM
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Here’s a quote of Tharbad in the Third Age if anyone is interested:

When Boromir made his great journey from Gondor to Rivendell - the courage and hardihood required is not fully recognized in the narrative - the North-South Road no longer existed except for the crumbling remains of the causeways, by which a hazardous approach to Tharbad might be achieved, only to find runs on dwindling mounds, and a dangerous ford formed by the ruins of the bridge, impassable if the river had not there been slow and shallow - but wide. The Unfinished Tales: The History of Celeborn and Galadriel
Kaulargorn 19/Dec/2006 at 02:25 AM
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Tharbad was located in the edge of Eriador and in Sindarin meant the Crossing place and after the plague there were still few inhabitants, mainly Bree-men and Dunlendings and was still an important trade route for some years but after some years I think it was deserted. After the establishment of Aragorn’s kingship there is no mention about the reinhabitance of Tharbad.
Oin 19/Dec/2006 at 02:53 PM
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Kaulargorn: There isn’t anything about Tharbad being refounded, that is true, however it is logical that it would have been. First and most importantly, Arnor and Gondor had been reunited, and therefore having a land route that connected the two would be necessary, and the North-South Road (and therefore Tharbad) would have been ideal. Second, we know that the King’s messengers and even the King and his family traveled up the road through Bree to travel to the Shire and Annuminas, so Tharbad must have been passable at that time. So while it isn’t stated plainly anywhere, logically it would have been rebuilt.
elendil elessar 20/Dec/2006 at 05:10 AM
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Well the bridge would have to be, but if the port wasn’t there would be little need for more than fort to protect it. I do not think it would "have" to be reconstructed as a city. Just my views, but as Oin said the Road was reopen, and to me that mean the Bridge rebuilt, from there one can imagine only.
Oin 20/Dec/2006 at 05:14 PM
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Santa: Yes, I would assume that the harbor itself at Vinyalonde (I think thats what it was called) would still be closed. There was no strategic purpose for it anymore - the Numenoreans were gone and had no need of the wood, Sauron no longer threatened Eriador, and the East-West Road was probably quicker than the sea anyway. So doubtless the port would have been closed - although due to the proximity of Dunland I expect the garrison would been reestablished as well.