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Bearamir 22/Jan/2006 at 11:13 AM
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Dervan 22/Jan/2006 at 11:25 AM
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I think it may be Theoden.

He was first laid in a tomb in the Hallows of Minas Tirith, but was later moved to Edoras by Éomer.

"Now, as you know, we have laid Théoden the Renowned in a tomb in the Hallows, and there he shall lie for ever among the Kings of Gondor, if you will." LotR, The Steward and the King.

"Then the kings of Gondor and Rohan went to the Hallows and they came to the tombs in Rath Dínen, and they bore away King Théoden" LotR, Many Partings

Wídfara 22/Jan/2006 at 11:35 AM
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Elenaran that is a good answer and I am going to give it to you as it fits the specifics of the question asked and you have supported it with  textual evidence. I forgot about Theoden when I was coming up with this question. I devised the question around the movement of Elendil’s tomb but no matter; well done! Your turn.

Dervan 22/Jan/2006 at 11:58 AM
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Thank you Azultur. Of course it should have been Elendil, he rested for many years upon Halifirien before he was moved to the Hallows, I don’t know why I did not come up with that.

Here’s a new one:
Who called himself names to encourage himself before entering a dark place?
manwe1 23/Jan/2006 at 10:49 AM
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sam, when he goes to save frodo from the orcs in mordor, maybe?
Dervan 23/Jan/2006 at 11:14 AM
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Yes, that is correct, manwe1.
Before Sam enters the Tower of Cirith Ungol, he calls himself a miserable sluggard.

"Come on, you miserable sluggard!’ Sam cried to himself. `Now for it!’ He drew Sting and ran towards the open gate." LotR, The Tower of Cirith Ungol.

Your turn manwe1.

manwe1 30/Jan/2006 at 05:30 AM
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yay i got one who says, " of course he is a thief, how else could he come by silver spoons"?
Rochir Mumakdacil 30/Jan/2006 at 11:28 AM
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who says, " of course he is a thief, how else could he come by silver spoons"?

This is Gandalf angrily replying to Balin in Ered Luin (in UT The Quest of Erebor) when Thorin, Balin and Gloin doubt Gandalf’s account of Mr Baggins’s burgling abilties.

manwe1 31/Jan/2006 at 08:55 AM
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correct
however could you have guessed that one? i thought that it was a sure stumpper, ah well...
Rochir Mumakdacil 31/Jan/2006 at 01:33 PM
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Well manwe, it is a well-known fact that Mr Baggins had silver spoons - Lobelia stole several of them. With that in mind it was just a matter of thinking who might have had a conversation about Bilbo being a thief, and then tracking down the quote.
Now, try this:

Who showed that he thought he was speaking wisely, by making his voice sound gloomy and nodding his head?

manwe1 01/Feb/2006 at 08:30 AM
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Sam again, maybe?
Ollyorin Dagda 01/Feb/2006 at 01:06 PM
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Gimli?
Rochir Mumakdacil 01/Feb/2006 at 01:55 PM
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No, neither Sam nor Gimli. If you find the relevant quote the identity should be obvious.
manwe1 02/Feb/2006 at 10:27 PM
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bilbo
Rochir Mumakdacil 03/Feb/2006 at 05:23 AM
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No, not Bilbo either. This person does not appear in LotR.
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Beorn?
Rochir Mumakdacil 06/Feb/2006 at 01:44 AM
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No, not Beorn. The answer is not from the Hobbit.
manwe1 06/Feb/2006 at 12:16 PM
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any hints?
Rochir Mumakdacil 06/Feb/2006 at 11:57 PM
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Hints? This is Advanced Lore. Lok in HoME.
manwe1 07/Feb/2006 at 10:51 AM
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i hate not having that series.
Catran 08/Feb/2006 at 07:18 AM
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Who showed that he thought he was speaking wisely, by making his voice sound gloomy and nodding his head?

I believe the answer to be Borlas, as Saelon said the following to him:

Plainly you  think you  are speaking  wise words,’  said Saelon. ’I guess that by the gloom  in your  voice, and  by the  nodding of your  head.[…]’ (The New Shadow, The Peoples of Middle-earth)

Rochir Mumakdacil 08/Feb/2006 at 08:59 AM
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Yes, that is spot-on Catran . Now you have to think up another question, on top of all those Drill questions your are officiating.
Catran 08/Feb/2006 at 10:34 AM
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Bah! Don’t even remind me! Somehow, these are easier than actual ‘drill’ questions, at least for me. I guess I’m not so worried that people will take them seriously. Plus – I’m on a roll!

 

For what reason did Northern Dwarves have Norwegian names?

Rochir Mumakdacil 08/Feb/2006 at 01:00 PM
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For what reason did Northern Dwarves have Norwegian names?

Well, they didn’t really  - these names were ’translations’ to represent the ’feel’ in the Common Speech of the names (in the local tongue of Dale) of the Dwarves of Erebor, and in any case those weren’t the Dwarrves ’true’ names:

RotK Appx F: Gilmli’s own name, however, and of all his kin, are of Northern (Mannish) origin. Their own secret and ’inner’ names, their true names, the Dwarves have never revealed to any one of alien race.

 

The Mannish languages that were related to Westron should, it seemed to me, be turned into forms related to English.  The language of Rohan I have accordingly made to resemble ancient English.....  The still more northerly language of Dale is in this book seen only in the names of the Dwarves that came from that region, and so used the language of the Men there, taking their ’outer’ names in that tongue. 

In fact, the names come mostly from  the Elder Edda (Old Norse, not, strictly, Norwegian)

Catran 08/Feb/2006 at 05:20 PM
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Not quite what I was looking for but I think you sort of hit it with the fact that the names of the Dwarves from that region were influenced by the language of the Men there. If you looked in HoMe though, you’d find this nice, neat, quote.

The language  of Men  in Dale  has thus  been given  (so far  as its names  show)  a  Norse  cast;  and  since  as  has  been   said  the Dwarves  adapt  their  names  and  speech  to  those  of  Men  among whom  they  live,  all  the  Dwarves  of  the  North  have  names of this  Northern  type  (in  fact  the  actual  names  of  Dwarves  in Norse). (Part One, PoMe)

And while you are correct that Norse is strickly Norwegian, though the two are synonyms - I think handing ’Norse’ to you in the question would have resulted in it being even easier to answer. We can’t have that can we?

Rochir Mumakdacil 09/Feb/2006 at 12:01 AM
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A Norse, a Norse, my kindgom for a Norse!

What ambiguous lack of punctuation leads to stellar confusion in a claim made by a future king?

Dervan 23/Feb/2006 at 02:26 AM
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Perhaps you should provide a clue, Rochir? I’m stumped
Rochir Mumakdacil 23/Feb/2006 at 12:00 PM
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Even you Elen?
Well, the ’future king’ is the most obvious one in the whole canon, and he speaks a sentence where the lack of a comma leads to ambiguity about stars.
Melyanna Falas 04/Mar/2006 at 12:52 PM
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Rochir, my grammar is not always the best, but would the sentance you refer to be the following [by Strider/Aragorn]:
I have crossed many mountains and many rivers, and trodden many plains, even into the far countries of Rhun and Harad where the stars are strange. ["Council of Elrond", FotR]
Rochir Mumakdacil 05/Mar/2006 at 06:48 AM
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Hooray, yes indeed! The way the sentence is punctuated makes it seem as if the stars are strange in both Rhun and Harad (which would be silly, as Rhun is at the same latitude as lands familiar to Aragorn and his hearers), whereas with a comma, thus: I have crossed many mountains and many rivers, and trodden many plains, even into the far countries of Rhun, and Harad where the stars are strange. it would be clear that the stars are strange only in Harad.

In UT The Istari note 10 there is an Author’s Note (meaning JRRT rather than CJRT): The ’strange stars’ apply strictly only to Harad, and must mean that Aragorn travelled or voyaged some distance into the southern hemisphere. Here I must disagree with the Master  because even in the northern hemisphere, the further south you go the more southern stars you can see. When you reach the equator you can see all the southern stars; you don’t see any additional ones (just more of them at the same time) by going into the southern hemisphere, it’s just that as you bring the the south celestial pole higher into your sky more of the northern stars become invisible.

There are some southern stars visible in Gondor that could never be seen from the latitude of Rivendell (or Dale). Aragorn, who is speaking partly to rebutt Boromir, must mean that he has been far enough south in Harad for a significant number of stars to become visible that can never be seen even from Gondor.

Anyway, the point remains that the missing comma makes it read as if stars are strange in Rhun (in the East), which is plainly untrue.

Your turn Melyanna.

Melyanna Falas 05/Mar/2006 at 01:45 PM
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Thank you Rochir. I did like your question’s "stellar confusion." My question seems ridiculously simple to me, but might be confusing because of the terminology. Actually, I am hoping it is.
What circle of gold was partly red?
Rochir Mumakdacil 09/Mar/2006 at 01:27 PM
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Well Melyanna, since no one else has hazarded a guess, I will suggest that you mean Narya .... the Ring of Fire or the Red Ring, borne by Cirdan and afterwards by Mithrandir.  (Sil, Index)
Melyanna Falas 09/Mar/2006 at 07:26 PM
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I actually had something far different in mind. My circle can grow. But it is not the Ruling ring either, though that has fiery writing etched that appears reddish, and it can grow or shrink.

Rochir, answering this will not involve great discussion, and perhaps should have been in a trivia thread. Do you prefer I simply accept Narya and let you get on?
Rochir Mumakdacil 10/Mar/2006 at 10:48 AM
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No, let’s carry on with this Melyanna. Maybe someone else will guess, especially now that you have given a hint.
Melyanna Falas 14/Mar/2006 at 06:32 AM
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Further hint: Spoken of in one book, but only described in another.
Ollyorin Dagda 16/Mar/2006 at 01:57 PM
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Well, i’ll hazard a guess. Perhaps you are referring to the Ring of Doom. Máhaxanar, near Valmar. The gold because it is near the golden gates of Valmar. It can expand, meaning there can be some Valar missing, making the ring smaller or bigger. As for the red. i don’t know how that may fit into it. And it is mentioned in The silmarillion obviously but maybe a little in another.
Melyanna Falas 16/Mar/2006 at 06:00 PM
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Ollyorin, that’s a good guess, but Mahaxanar is not the answer. This ring of gold is definitely described as "partly red". And again, while spoken about in one of the books, it is only given a description and reason for the name in another.
Magradhaid 17/Mar/2006 at 04:04 PM
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The ring of culumalda trees on the Field of Cormallen.
Melyanna Falas 18/Mar/2006 at 06:46 AM
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Yes, yes, yes! You’re right, Mynegeorn!

Appendix of The Silmarillion:
"mal - ’gold’...in the Field of Cormallen, which means ’golden circle’ and was named from the culumalda trees that grew there (see cul-)."
"cul- ’golden-red in Culurien." [My note: and by extension, culu-malda].
The Field of Cormallen was naturally the site of rest and celebration following the battles of the WR and Sauron’s defeat. [RotK]
Foster in his Complete Guide says the Field of Cormallen was "quite appropriate to the celebration since it was made possible by the destruction of the One (golden) Ring".
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In an earlier draft, Belisarius was the name of what LotR character?
Dervan 19/Mar/2006 at 02:33 AM
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I found a reference on the net, saying it was the early name for Fredegar Bolger (Fatty), but I can’t find a supporting quote in either of the HoME books or The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, but I guess I missed it.
So, is Fatty correct?
Melyanna Falas 19/Mar/2006 at 08:25 PM
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Elenaran, I think this might be a reference for you. Letter 109 says: "Belisarius must have been scribbled as a suggestion over the name Hamilcar(3) in a few cases." And Foonote (3) than says "An earlier name for Fredegar or Fatty Bolger." Seems to imply that he was considering both names that finally ended up as Fredegar.
Dervan 20/Mar/2006 at 01:49 AM
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So I did miss it.
Melyanna Falas 20/Mar/2006 at 12:23 PM
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You didn’t see it perhaps, but YOU got the answer!
Dervan 31/Mar/2006 at 09:22 AM
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Um, does anyone know how to get in touch with Mynegeorn? He is taking an awful lot of time to verify the answer; someone please drag him over here.
Don’t know what the rules say about this, but I assume a kind Valar could sort it out for us if Mynegeorn does not show up soon.
Wídfara 31/Mar/2006 at 10:16 AM
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Elenaran: I thought that "you got the answer"!indicated that you have the correct answer and can ask the next question? Why don’t you go ahead?

Dervan 31/Mar/2006 at 12:10 PM
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I believe I need Mynegeorn’s approval, not Melyanna Falas’ approval.

Wídfara 31/Mar/2006 at 05:17 PM
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Pardon me Elenaran.   I was not paying attention. Where is Mynegeorn?
Dervan 06/Apr/2006 at 01:42 PM
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Since, Mynegeorn has not come by to verify the answer, and left this thread at a halt for nearly two weeks, I will post a new question so that we may start this thread up again. I hope that is okay.

Who rode away with greater hope than he had ever seen before when leaving his love?

Catran 21/Apr/2006 at 02:02 PM
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Since it’s been awhile, I’ll take a stab at it. Húrin perhaps… based on the following?

 

And Húrin answered her: "Farewell, Lady of Dor-lómin; we ride now with greater hope than ever we have known before. (NARN I HÎN HÚRIN, Unfinished Tales)

Dervan 21/Apr/2006 at 02:13 PM
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That is the answer I seeked, and the exact quote I used. You’re up Catran.
Catran 21/Apr/2006 at 09:01 PM
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Thanks Elenaran! Here’s the next question:

The changing of the seasons brought a renewal of the assault of evil to all borders save which direction? (North, South, East, or West. And since it’s kind of multiple choice due to a limit of the possible directions perhaps a quote requirement would work?)

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The changing of the seasons brought a renewal of the assault of evil to all borders save which direction?

The South

"Winter came and passed, and with Spring their assault was renewed: Dimbar was overrun, and the Men of Brethil were afraid, for evil roamed now upon all their borders, save in the south." Unfinished Tales, Narn I Hîn Húrin, Túrin among the Outlaws.

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Right you are Elenaran! You’re up next.

Dervan 23/Apr/2006 at 03:03 AM
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Thanks Catran, here’s a new question for you all:

What language was attractive but made things more complicated?

Dervan 08/May/2006 at 10:37 AM
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Doesn’t anybody visit this thread anymore? Or is my question too hard?
Wídfara 08/May/2006 at 02:32 PM
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Elenaran I will admit to having tried to find the anwswer to your question but have been unable to find the quote. Perhaps a tiny hint is in order?
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Okay, then, a small hint ye will get, Azultur.

It is an Elvish language, and the answer can be found close to HoME
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Need another hint?

The road is lost, lost I tell you!

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Okay, it is about time we move on to another question now, so I’ll reveal my answer and open up the floor.

What language was attractive but made things more complicated?

Beleriandic

"The Sun and the Moon seem to have similar names in both: Anar and Isil beside Anor and Ithil. Ilike first one, then the other, in different moods. Beleriandic is really very attractive; but it complicates things." HoME vol 5, The lost road.

Open Floor!

Catran 19/May/2006 at 10:47 AM
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Since nobody has jumped...

What signified as a piece of a Devine Plan for the ennoblement of a race?

Wídfara 26/May/2006 at 10:56 AM
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After a very long dry spell I think I finally have found one.
I think the answer you are looking for is the entering of Elven blood into the race of Men.

" The entering into Men of the Elven-strain is indeed represented as part of a Divine Plan for the ennoblement of the Human Race, from the beginning destined to replace the Elves. " The Letters,  #153

Wídfara 30/May/2006 at 12:44 PM
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Hello. Has anyone seen Catran? I am pretty sure the answer I posted above is correct as it is a such close quote but I certainly don’t want to proceed with out official notification. Now that Drill is over for us this will be my only fix for questions for awhile.   Everyone is probably busy in the finals now that I think about it. Will wait patiently.
Catran 31/May/2006 at 09:31 AM
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Sorry Azultur! Right you are... on both accounts.

Floor is yours...

Wídfara 31/May/2006 at 04:02 PM
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Thanks Catran!  Hope everyone does not find this question too easy.

What was compared or likened to  "a fire in a field of reeds".

Region 04/Jun/2006 at 01:09 PM
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I think I found it!

The light of the drawing of the swords of the Noldor was like a fire in a field of reeds; and so fell and swift was their onset that almost the designs of Morgoth went astray. (the Sil, Of the Fifth Battle, my bold emphasis)

Wídfara 04/Jun/2006 at 11:26 PM
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You are correct Region! That is of course the quote I was looking for. One of my favorite passages from the Sil. You get to ask the next question.
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Since it’s been 15+ days, I’ll propose the next question - tis a fairly easy one to get us back going.

Whose knowledge of growing things was nearly equal to, though not taught by, the Elves?

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fangorn/treebeard?

 

Eä Celebrin 23/Jul/2006 at 07:13 AM
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I would just like to point out that IXX isn’t a number in Roman Numerals. If its supposed to be the number 19 it should be XIX, or if its the number 21 its should be XXI. Sorry to butt in .
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i think it is hobbits. I mean they say they have a love for everything that grows. Though my first guess would have been treebeard but manwe already guessed that so ill go with hobbits.
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Whilst I am glad to see some activity here, I do believe a quote is required to answer the questions in Ad Lore. On that note though, I would have to track down the answer again because I really don’t recall where I found it. So if anyone would like to post a quote, or perhaps a new question…
Wídfara 05/Aug/2006 at 11:57 AM
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Hey Catran I think I found it! I was pursuing the Hobbit angle too and came across this quote:

Whose knowledge of growing things was nearly equal to, though not taught by, the Elves?

 

The answer would be the Drúedain based on the following quote:

"Their knowledge of all growing things was almost equal to that of the Elves ( though untaught by them); and it is said that if they removed to a new country they knew within a short time all the things that grew there, great or minute, and gave names to those that were new to them, discerning those that were poisonous, or useful as food."  Unfinished Tales, The Drúedain

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After a week, might you post a new question, Azultur?
Catran 18/Aug/2006 at 11:41 AM
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Sorry it has been so long, I really did check back daily for a bit... but Azultur has the exact quote I was looking for. Congrats!

Tyrhael - after that long, I think it’s safe for someone to claim the floor and post a new question.

Wídfara 19/Aug/2006 at 07:08 AM
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Thanks Catran. Sorry I waited so long. I get so worried about following the rules...
Here is your next question.

Whose feet flashed invisibly for the greatness of their speed?

Catran 23/Aug/2006 at 08:01 AM
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I’ll take a stab...

Nornore

 

Then does Nornore, whose feet flash invisibly for the greatness of their speed, hurtle from Valinor bearing the embassy of Manwe, and he goes unstaying over both land and sea to Palisor. (Book of Lost Tales 1)

Wídfara 23/Aug/2006 at 07:02 PM
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Yup. That is the exact answer I am looking for of course. Well done Catran!
The floor is once again yours.
Catran 25/Aug/2006 at 05:05 AM
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Perhaps I should quit answering so I have questions to spare this coming season for drill, but I can’t resist! Thanks Azultur! Here’s another one for you…

 

Who would be a suitable companion for Gandalf?

Lord_Vidύm 31/Aug/2006 at 01:38 AM
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Who would be a suitable companion for Gandalf? Shadowfax?

Which evil creature has seen the Light of the Trees?

Catran 31/Aug/2006 at 09:59 AM
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I’m sorry Lord_Vidum but Turbo Teasers requires more than a guess. Your answer is not what I was looking for but if you have a quote as support I will concede it. But for now...

Who would be a suitable companion for Gandalf?

Rochir Mumakdacil 31/Aug/2006 at 03:06 PM
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Who would be a suitable companion for Gandalf?

Aragorn?

`And I,’ said Aragorn, `counselled that we should hunt for Gollum, too late though it may seem. And since it seemed fit that Isildur’s heir should labour to repair Isildur’s fault, I went with Gandalf on the long and hopeless search.’ FotR The Council of Elrond

Catran 06/Sep/2006 at 05:16 AM
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Rochir - Not what I had originally intended but I believe the quote you give fits. Here was mine:

The first page of Glorfindel I is missing, and the second page begins with the words ’as guards or assistants.’ Then follows:           

                                                                         

 An  Elf  who  had  once  known Middle-earth  and had  fought in the long  wars against  Melkor would  be an  eminently suitable companion for Gandalf. (Peoples of Middle-earth, Late Writings)

Your up!

Rochir Mumakdacil 10/Sep/2006 at 07:32 AM
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Sorry for the delay. I was not paying attention to this thread.

What was assumed by its lord when bad news reached an ancient stronghold?

Dimple Bulge 22/Sep/2006 at 08:18 AM
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That the ring had been taken to Minas Tirith by the heir of Isildur
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That the ring had been taken to Minas Tirith by the heir of Isildur
Rochir Mumakdacil 22/Sep/2006 at 03:10 PM
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Welcome to the Plaza Dimple Bulge. Your answer is not what I was looking for. In any case, answers in this thread need to be supported by an attributed  quote from one of the books.  If you can post such a quote that proves that your answer fits my question, then I will allow it. Otherwise, please try again.

Hint: I used ’assumed’ with a different meaning to you.

Dimple Bulge 25/Sep/2006 at 06:52 AM
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Here is another possibility:

 

Sauron, when hearing news that the ring was in the Shire held by a Hobbit, it was assumed the Shire lay in the Vales of Anduin.

            UF Page 342

“Sauron plainly had no inkling that Baggins came from a region far removed from the Misty Mountains or that Gollum knew where it was, and assumed that he would be found in the Vales of Anduin, in the same region that Gollum himself had once lived.”

 

Rochir Mumakdacil 25/Sep/2006 at 11:06 AM
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... and I suppose the ’ancient stronghold’ where Sauron heard this news would be Barad-dur. I will accept this Dimple, because it does fit, although it is not what I was seeking. Your turn (by the way, we usually abbreviate Unfinished Tales as UT).

For those who are interested, what I was seeking in resonse to

What was assumed by its lord when bad news reached an ancient stronghold?

was command of the West-mark of Rohan.

Erkenbrand of Westfold assumed command of the West-mark when news of the fall of Théodred reached him in the Hornburg on the next day. UT Battles of the Fords of Isen. (I did say that I meant ’assumed’ in a different sense )

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Thanks.  UT refers to Erkenbrand as Master of the Hornburg not the lord.  That is what threw me off

What two entities held Sam captive?

This should be pretty easy for this forum.

Dimple Bulge 25/Sep/2006 at 11:15 AM
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Sorry, just remembered a third.  Name three.
Cigfa 26/Sep/2006 at 10:14 AM
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Uh, let’s see...would that be the Watchers?
Dimple Bulge 26/Sep/2006 at 11:09 AM
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It’s theree seperate incidents.
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Rats!  I give up, you got me on that one ;)

Rochir Mumakdacil 26/Sep/2006 at 01:32 PM
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This is advanced lore, and is traditionally a somewhat cryptic question that demands an answer supported by a quote. However you asked for three answers, so I’m not going to dig up a quote for each. It is all in LotR, and so the incidents should be well-known to all:

1) The Barrow-wight FotR.
2) Haldir and the other Galadhrim FotR  - the members of the Fellowship were marched blindfolded under guard, until released by order of the Lady.
3) Faramir and his men, notably Mablung and Damrod TT - Frodo and Sam were put under armed guard during the affray in the cloven way.
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Very good, Rochir. 

Your turn

Rochir Mumakdacil 27/Sep/2006 at 08:07 AM
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Thank you Dimple. Here is my question:

Of whom was it written that he dwelled in stone halls with many pillars before Durin?

Carandol Eredion 27/Sep/2006 at 09:36 AM
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Of whom was it written that he dwelled in stone halls with many pillars before Durin?

I believe that this is Thingol.
Based on the following quote:
’Where might and glory, wealth untold
he wielded from his ivory throne
in many-pillared halls of stone’

(The Lay of Leithian, from HoME III, The Lays of Beleriand)
Rochir Mumakdacil 27/Sep/2006 at 03:12 PM
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That is indeed correct Carandhol. The Lay was written before Gimli’s rhyme about Durin that he recited in FotR (other phrases from the Lay are repeated there too, not just many-pillared halls of stone).
The Lore Masters of Gondor seem to be on quite a roll at present in this thread. Your turn now to frighten the opposition before the new Drill Season starts .
Could you find the time to visit Basic Lore and answer my TurboTeaser which seems to have folk flummoxed?
Carandol Eredion 28/Sep/2006 at 09:03 AM
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Thanks Rochir (and yes, I will have another look at that basic lore question).
My question is as follows:

Who was keen to eliminate a misfit?
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I will venture a guess. Do you mean Sam? As in this quote...

" Now! said Sam. ’ At last I can deal with you!’ He leaped forward with drawn blade ready for battle. But Gollum did not spring. He fell flat upon the ground and whimpered." ROTK, Mount Doom
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I will venture a guess. Do you mean Sam? As in this quote...

" Now! said Sam. ’ At last I can deal with you!’ He leaped forward with drawn blade ready for battle. But Gollum did not spring. He fell flat upon the ground and whimpered." ROTK, Mount Doom
Cigfa 30/Sep/2006 at 12:59 PM
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I believe it was Samwise. If Carandol Eredion refers to LOTR, that is.
Cigfa 30/Sep/2006 at 12:59 PM
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I believe it was Samwise. If Carandol Eredion refers to LOTR, that is.
Carandol Eredion 30/Sep/2006 at 01:55 PM
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Neither guess is correct- no evidence is provided that Gollum is indeed a ’misfit’.
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Neither guess is correct- no evidence is provided that Gollum is indeed a ’misfit’.
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Okay, then how about Túrin?

" Then Túrin grasped Gurthang and a fell light was in his eyes. ’ And what shall be said of you, Club-foot?’ he said slowly. ’ Who told her secretly behind my back my right name? Who brought her to the malice of the Dragon? Who stood by and let her die? Who came hither to publish this horror at the swiftest? Who would now gloat upon me? Do men speak true before death? Then speak it now quickly." Unfinished Tales, Narn I Hîn Húrin

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Okay, then how about Túrin?

" Then Túrin grasped Gurthang and a fell light was in his eyes. ’ And what shall be said of you, Club-foot?’ he said slowly. ’ Who told her secretly behind my back my right name? Who brought her to the malice of the Dragon? Who stood by and let her die? Who came hither to publish this horror at the swiftest? Who would now gloat upon me? Do men speak true before death? Then speak it now quickly." Unfinished Tales, Narn I Hîn Húrin

Carandol Eredion 01/Oct/2006 at 03:58 AM
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That’s not what I was looking for either.
Carandol Eredion 01/Oct/2006 at 03:58 AM
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That’s not what I was looking for either.
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Best I can come up with off the top of my head is Gloin, who didn’t want Bilbo in the party that went off to Erebor. Sorry I can’t reference it.
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Best I can come up with off the top of my head is Gloin, who didn’t want Bilbo in the party that went off to Erebor. Sorry I can’t reference it.
Carandol Eredion 19/Oct/2006 at 09:10 AM
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That was not what I was looking for either.

A hint:
You’ll have to go back HoME to find the answer.
Carandol Eredion 19/Oct/2006 at 09:10 AM
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That was not what I was looking for either.

A hint:
You’ll have to go back HoME to find the answer.
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Tevildo?  
Tevildo snarled: "There trippeth that fool Beren the Elf.  Melko rid me of such folk"  HoME 2

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Tevildo?  
Tevildo snarled: "There trippeth that fool Beren the Elf.  Melko rid me of such folk"  HoME 2

Carandol Eredion 20/Oct/2006 at 09:05 AM
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That isn’t the answer I was looking for, I’m afraid.
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That isn’t the answer I was looking for, I’m afraid.
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Okay then, lets try Melkor?

Therefore,   though   he  still   dissembled  his   purposes  with
 great   cunning,   Melkor   sought   now   ever   more  eagerly   how  he
 should   destroy   Feanor,   and   end  the   friendship  of   Valar  and
 Eldar. HoME 10

mis·fit (msft, ms-ft)  Pronunciation Key  ’Audio [P]
n.

  1. Something of the wrong size or shape for its purpose.
  2. One who is unable to adjust to one’s environment or circumstances or is considered to be disturbingly different from others.

I would say that Feanor fits the definition of misfit, yes?

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Okay then, lets try Melkor?

Therefore,   though   he  still   dissembled  his   purposes  with
 great   cunning,   Melkor   sought   now   ever   more  eagerly   how  he
 should   destroy   Feanor,   and   end  the   friendship  of   Valar  and
 Eldar. HoME 10

mis·fit (msft, ms-ft)  Pronunciation Key  ’Audio [P]
n.

  1. Something of the wrong size or shape for its purpose.
  2. One who is unable to adjust to one’s environment or circumstances or is considered to be disturbingly different from others.

I would say that Feanor fits the definition of misfit, yes?

Carandol Eredion 22/Oct/2006 at 08:06 AM
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I’m not sure that Fëanor is by that definition a misfit; in any case, its not the answer I was looking for.

However, by that definition the misfit in question is not, in fact, a misfit. What I meant was that this person was radically different to others in their society.
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I’m not sure that Fëanor is by that definition a misfit; in any case, its not the answer I was looking for.

However, by that definition the misfit in question is not, in fact, a misfit. What I meant was that this person was radically different to others in their society.
Rochir Mumakdacil 22/Oct/2006 at 10:21 AM
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Sméagol’s grandmother? (Gollum’s Granny )

Sméagol returned alone; and he found that none of his family could see him, when he was wearing the ring. He was very pleased with his discovery and he concealed it; and he used it to find out secrets, and he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful. The ring had given him power according to his stature. It is not to be wondered at that he became very unpopular and was shunned (when visible) by all his relations. They kicked him, and he bit their feet. He took to thieving, and going about muttering to himself, and gurgling in his throat. So they called him Gollum, and cursed him, and told him to go far away; and his grandmother, desiring peace, expelled him from the family and turned him out of her hole. FotR Shadow of the Past

Rochir Mumakdacil 22/Oct/2006 at 10:21 AM
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Sméagol’s grandmother? (Gollum’s Granny )

Sméagol returned alone; and he found that none of his family could see him, when he was wearing the ring. He was very pleased with his discovery and he concealed it; and he used it to find out secrets, and he put his knowledge to crooked and malicious uses. He became sharp-eyed and keen-eared for all that was hurtful. The ring had given him power according to his stature. It is not to be wondered at that he became very unpopular and was shunned (when visible) by all his relations. They kicked him, and he bit their feet. He took to thieving, and going about muttering to himself, and gurgling in his throat. So they called him Gollum, and cursed him, and told him to go far away; and his grandmother, desiring peace, expelled him from the family and turned him out of her hole. FotR Shadow of the Past

Carandol Eredion 22/Oct/2006 at 11:09 AM
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I’m afraid that wasn’t the answer I was looking for either.
Carandol Eredion 22/Oct/2006 at 11:09 AM
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I’m afraid that wasn’t the answer I was looking for either.
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Who was keen to eliminate a misfit? Carandol’s question.

 

Andróg was keen on killing Mîm. But not sure if Mîm is the misfit your talking about.
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Who was keen to eliminate a misfit? Carandol’s question.

 

Andróg was keen on killing Mîm. But not sure if Mîm is the misfit your talking about.
Carandol Eredion 23/Oct/2006 at 09:16 AM
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That’s not who I am looking for either.

(The hint above refers both to the source and the information’s location in the source)
Carandol Eredion 23/Oct/2006 at 09:16 AM
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That’s not who I am looking for either.

(The hint above refers both to the source and the information’s location in the source)
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Fingolfin was keen to destroy Morgoth that’s why he went against him in single combat. And Morgoth was radically different from those of his culture the Ainur.  hehe good question.
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Fingolfin was keen to destroy Morgoth that’s why he went against him in single combat. And Morgoth was radically different from those of his culture the Ainur.  hehe good question.
Carandol Eredion 24/Oct/2006 at 12:41 PM
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That wasn’t what I am looking for, but I don’t feel I could accept it without a quote anyway, I’m afraid.
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That wasn’t what I am looking for, but I don’t feel I could accept it without a quote anyway, I’m afraid.
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ahh, you should have mention that after my first pick wihout a quote Carandol. There are no rules in the opening post so I wasn’t aware of that.
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ahh, you should have mention that after my first pick wihout a quote Carandol. There are no rules in the opening post so I wasn’t aware of that.
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Heh, sorry for a post without an answer but it would seem that none are able to answer Carandol’s question. Perhaps a hint would go well to help us better understand.
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Heh, sorry for a post without an answer but it would seem that none are able to answer Carandol’s question. Perhaps a hint would go well to help us better understand.
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OK. I realise that it is a hopelessly vague question, but I’ll try and clear things up.

Who was keen to eliminate someone who was radically different to the rest of his society?

The answer is to be found in a very obscure text in one of the later volumes of HoME, one which is also extremely distinct from any of Tolkien’s other works. It also has Númenor intruding into it, of course.
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OK. I realise that it is a hopelessly vague question, but I’ll try and clear things up.

Who was keen to eliminate someone who was radically different to the rest of his society?

The answer is to be found in a very obscure text in one of the later volumes of HoME, one which is also extremely distinct from any of Tolkien’s other works. It also has Númenor intruding into it, of course.
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When this question was first asked, I had a hunch that it came from a certain story. I now find that I am positive that I had the story correct, and even am sure I know who "was keen" and who "was radically different", and even how/why that person was "radically different". The problem is, I am not actually in possession of that volume of HoME; I only took it out from the library once and remember reading that section, so I can’t provide the exact quote to back my answer up.

Perhaps I can give the answer, and then someone who has that volume of HoME can provide the quote and give the next question?

The answer is Mogru, who sought to oust Tal-elmar because his grandmother Elmar was of the Fell Folk of the East, "fair, tall, and flint-eyed", who were one of the three enemies of the people of the hills of Agar. This comes from HoME 12. Can anyone provide the quotations?
Magradhaid 26/Nov/2006 at 02:38 PM
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When this question was first asked, I had a hunch that it came from a certain story. I now find that I am positive that I had the story correct, and even am sure I know who "was keen" and who "was radically different", and even how/why that person was "radically different". The problem is, I am not actually in possession of that volume of HoME; I only took it out from the library once and remember reading that section, so I can’t provide the exact quote to back my answer up.

Perhaps I can give the answer, and then someone who has that volume of HoME can provide the quote and give the next question?

The answer is Mogru, who sought to oust Tal-elmar because his grandmother Elmar was of the Fell Folk of the East, "fair, tall, and flint-eyed", who were one of the three enemies of the people of the hills of Agar. This comes from HoME 12. Can anyone provide the quotations?
Carandol Eredion 04/Dec/2006 at 01:21 PM
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As no one else has provided the quotes, I can confirm that the answer I was looking for was indeed Mogru, who wished to ’eliminate’ Tal-elmar. The quotes I used were as follows:

’His sons for the most part were gone from him, and those that remained, or came ever nigh, were neither gentle nor ruly. They were indeed much as Hazad himself had been in the days of his youth: broad, swarthy, short, tough, harsh-tongued, heavy-handed, and quick to violence.
Save one only, and he was the youngest. Tal-elmar Hazad his father named him. He was tall, and white-skinned, and there was a light in his grey eyes that would flash to fire, if he were wroth.’ HoME XII, Tal-Elmar
This establishes that Tal-elmar was ’radically different’.

’He remembered suddenly- another of Morgru’s schemes to be rid of him, as he now saw, though at the time he had thought it an honour...’ HoME XII, Tal-Elmar
If Mogru tries multiple times to be rid of Tal-elmar, he is obviously ’keen to eliminate’ him.
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No one’s posted anything, so I hope I can. Who dove into the Sea and wandered into the mermaids’ caverns because of a jealous huntsman pursuing her?
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I think I may have the answer. How about this...

Who dove into the Sea and wandered into the mermaids’ caverns because of a jealous huntsman pursuing her?

Answer:
Vairë

The tale of Qorinómi (page 215) was never in fact told - in the first version of the present tale (see note 15 above) it seems that Vairë would have liked to tell it , but felt the beady eye of the captious Ailios upon her.  In the early Quenya word-list Qorinó,o os defined as ’ the name of the Sun,’ literally ’ Drowned in the Sea’, the name being a derivative from a root menaing ’choke, suffocate drown’, with this explanation: "The Sun, after fleeing from the Moon, dived into the sea and wandered in the caverns of teh Oaritsi.’ Oaritsi is not given in the word-list, but oaris = ’mermaid’. Nothing is said in the Lost Tales of the Moon giving chase to the Sun;it was the stars of Varda that Ilinsor, ’huntsman of the firmament’, pursued and he was jealous of the the supremacy of the Sun’ (page 195). BoLT 1, The Hiding of Valinor
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I disagree with the answer of Vairë; she was merely a narrator retelling stories to an audience in the Cottage of Lost Play, and didn’t tell the tale of Qorinómi because of Ailios (Gilfanon), who was trying to pick out as many trivial errors as he could. The answer I was looking for (indeed you quoted it) was the Sun (Urwendi), though it seems I shouldn’t have mixed that with the quote about Ilinsor the jealous huntsman. So I’ll accept that answer.
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Thanks for your generous acceptance of my answer Tyrhael. I misread the quote and thought that the sun was being called Vairë in this instance.  New question then.

Who is being quoted here... "I know mine, and you know yours; let neither side molest what is the other’s."
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Who is being quoted here... "I know mine, and you know yours; let neither side molest what is the other’s."

Fangorn based on the following:

For legend reported that Fangorn himself had met the King of the Galadhrim in ancient days, and Fangorn had said: ."I know mine, and you know yours; let neither side molest what is the other’s. But if an Elf should wish to walk in my land for his pleasure he will be welcome; and if an Ent should be seen in your and fear no evil." (Appendix C, Unfinished Tales)