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Nenar_ok 12/Sep/2006 at 07:43 AM
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Yesterday I grabbed a paperback copy of The Hobbit ,stuffed it into the back pocket of my shorts and headed out the door with my dog.  I usually walk the dog along the lake shore behind my house. I found a shady spot under a palm tree and started reading a random page that I had flipped too.  The dog was splashing in the lake, when two small fishermen walked by us.  The one kid said to the other kid "He’s reading THe HOBBIT!" The other kid turned and looked at me as if  I had two heads!   I’m a mature man, so for the slightest moment I felt a bit embarrassed, but with mature reasoning *cough* I blew it off thinking,  I’m a student of Tolkiens works!  Anyone else share a similar experience?  Caught reading Tolkien in a strange places?

Amrod Telemnar 12/Sep/2006 at 09:30 AM
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Lol well i bet those kids couldnt even attempt to read Lord of the Rings and there heads would explode if they attempted the Silm. The Hobbit is definately aimed at younger readers as i remember a teacher reading it to the class when i was about 10. But i still read it now when i feel like it and dont feel ashamed, so i will read it in all sorts of places.
Celebind Eryniel 12/Sep/2006 at 10:37 AM
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I’ve never actually done this, but I imagine that one of the strangest and best places to read Tolkein’s works would be up a tree.  It would be weird because people don’t usually read books in trees, but I think it would be cool because you could imagine that you’re an elf, or a hobbit riding an ent, or a dwarf trying to escape a pack of wargs.
Wood Walker 12/Sep/2006 at 10:38 AM
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They were just jelous of you, that you where able to read the Hobbit and they weren’t, cause they had to go home and play video games
Rohanna 12/Sep/2006 at 10:42 AM
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happens to me every day when my kids tease me about the fact that I don’t even put my tolkien books away anymore, they are just stacked up next to my chair in the living room, so I can refer them whenever I need them!

if I saw a guy at a lake enjoying the weather and a good book I would probably think "hmmm I wonder if he’s single"

Ygdrazill 12/Sep/2006 at 12:20 PM
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Yeah i cant even count anymore how many times people have confronted me with thiere silly questions like for example - You nerd! teenagers dont reed thoose cind of books! Luckely ive come to realise that iam just way ahead of them, not only in the reading terms, but its allways the stupid and thoose who thinks they are cool (but ofcourse, they arnt) who asks me why im "wasting my time" on books when i can do so much more fun things like destroying my brain watching Tv or ruining my life with drugs and alkohol.

I can share one anecdote who tells aloth of the situations iam talking about. It was a warm day in late april this year and im walking along in the neighboorhood reading a novell of some cind when suddenly two of my friends comes up to me. We exange "hellos" and then i see how one of my friends sees the book im holding in my hand and he asks me - what are you doing with that book? - what do you think? i ask him back. -dont know, mabey you are studying for some homework? he says. - Nope, guess again. - hmm... (he thinks for a second and then he says) Naa i dont know! Tell me. I just laughed and sead -Reading? and moved on leaving them behind.

Wished i could find someone who appriciated reading as much as i do, but iam afraid thoose people dont grow on trees these days

Helekwen 12/Sep/2006 at 01:33 PM
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Celebeth- swings are good for reading on summer days! And I’d LOVE to have a climbable tree to read in!

Ygdrazill- I appreciate reading like that too- the number of times I’ve walked (sorry, fallen) into the door at the bottom of the stairs because I had my nose in a book...

Anyway, my school bus has to wait for some kids from another school to catch our bus, so we have to wait around at school for about fifteen minutes after everyone else has gone home, which is really boring! So I always carry a book in my bag and read it then; and everyone is like, "What are you reading?", so I tip the book up to show them the cover because I’m so engrossed I don’t want to talk, and they read the title infuriatingly slowly: "The... Fellowship... Of... The... Ring." And then they just go "Huh?". They can’t understand why I would spend the time reading instead of bullying other kids!

Also, everyone thinks I’m mad when we are shown films for a treat at Christmas and the end of the year, and I choose to get out my copy of LotR and read instead of watching. But they’re always such awful films, and I’d rather read any day, especially Tolkien! Neither do they get how I can walk into the school library, without a book, find LotR on the shelves and open it to the place I left off. Teenagers nowadays are so deprived!

Arieda Rushlight 12/Sep/2006 at 03:19 PM
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Celebeth - I have read Fellowship Of The Ring in a tree. A good three chapters, too. Interestingly enough, one was the Old Forest chapter. And, I was sitting in a willow tree. It was at school and my hiding spot was discovered by a gym teacher, and he was like, get out of that tree and DO SOMETHING! and I was like, um, no.
Ygdrazill 12/Sep/2006 at 11:57 PM
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Helekwen haha i really know what you mean  Its accually allmost suicide being attached to a book as much as for example us to Tolkien. Numerous times i have twisted my ankle or fallen over on the street just because Iam so totally in to the book. I dont even think i can count the times ive been damn close of walking right in to a tree or some other obstacle.

haha and when i think of it, about three or four times ive even bumped in to people on the street. Thats accually embarrassing with them yelling things like - Watch where the f*ck your going stupid! Well i cant help it, can I? The world would be so plane without books.

Nienna Tindómë 13/Sep/2006 at 07:20 AM
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The other kid turned and looked at me as if  I had two heads! - hehe, same thing happens to me quite often whenever I tell people about Tolkien and his works. One day (about three years ago, I believe) I brought the Silmarillion to school to read during some boring classes. When I pulled the book out of the bag, my colleagues were looking at me like I was an alien. They found it hard even to read the book title. Just imagine the look on my face when they asked: "Hey, who’s that Tolkien guy?!" I could’ve kicked them! *g*

lalla 13/Sep/2006 at 09:03 AM
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I’m a teacher of Italian language and literature (and I’m supposed to be a very serious one!). So you can imagine what happened when my students (11-13 years old) found me sitting in the school garden during a break, reading "The Hobbit" in English!!! At first they were a bit puzzled, but then I think I earned 1.000.000 points in their consideration!  Later the bravest one asked me to read it together after class!
Ygdrazill 13/Sep/2006 at 12:27 PM
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haha sometimes i wounder why Tolkiens work has been given such a "nerd stamp" these days. I mean its allmost exactly like any other novel if you look at them seperatly. Perhaps its the language and the amount of effort you have to put in to your reading that is the big diffrense. One friend of mine were even afraid of other people knowing he had read the LotR as soon as he had started to interact with the more anticulturell part of the society. That were the real evidense i needed to see that todays youth is going downhill.... Hope for gods sake that the future brings some good news. I dont want to die with the knowledge that youngsters reading habbits are as much as zero

Nieliqui Vaneyar 13/Sep/2006 at 03:14 PM
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Hi, Ygdrazill!  I’d like to welcome you to the plaza and to Book Lore, tho I see you’ve already posted some.  Have fun and if I can answer any questions or if you have any suggestions, please do ask.
Fearwen 13/Sep/2006 at 03:29 PM
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All my friends at school knew I was a huge Tolkien fan (possibly due to the posters i had all over my room in school - it was a boarding school, although i didnt actually board). Yeah I guess they thought I was a bit wierd for being so obsessed (mind you, they thought i was a bit wierd in general, but they liked me for it) but overall most people were in some way fans of Tolkiens work, mainly due to the films, so in a way it wasnt such a wierd thing after all. Some people were even impressed about how much I knew (although to some people on here its actually not so much after all)!
I hear that the uni im about to start has its own Tolkien society, so i guess there are some like-minded people in the world (mind you his is Cambridge so its not suprising to find book lovers there).
Arvellas 13/Sep/2006 at 08:24 PM
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I think it is quite sad that reading a book is considered such an alien activity by most kids these days.  I remember the first time one of peers asked, "Why do you like to read?  It’s so boring!"  I just looked at them like they were insane.  Anyone who doesn’t think that reading books is fun has problems in my book (pun intended!)  I’ve always loved books--even as a six-year-old, I was happy to tackle good books with big words, because they were interesting.  What also dumbfounds me is that a lot of kids these days don’t even seem to be able to read! *rolls eyes with exasperation*  Whenever I hear teenagers struggling to sound out the words (which is something I hear far too often, sadly) it makes me want to ask, "Dude, shouldn’t you have gotten past that stage by now?"

Anyhoo, reading is a treat for me, and always has been.  And when it comes to absorbing stories, Tolkien’s are the best, IMO.  Whether you are looking for light entertainment or serious reading or anything in between, you’ve got to love Tolkien.  I can’t say I’ve ever been caught reading LOTR in a funny place, though...my special 50th anniversary edition never leaves the house!

Firithlosseiel 13/Sep/2006 at 08:30 PM
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Arvellas, I know what you mean. Kids in my class will always poke fun at me for enjoying to read. But, thank goodness, we’re at the point and the age now that people accept me for who I am...and just get used to fact that I like reading Lord of the Rings. Alot.

But back to the original question. There are alot of places that I suppose people would consider reading Lord of the Rings, let alone a book, would be ’funny’. I’ve been known to pull one out at a particularly boring school function- baseball game, track meet, etc. I used to read them on field trips, sleepovers. In all cases people will give me extremely funny looks, see what I’m reading, and take that look up another notch.

Asha Greyjoy 13/Sep/2006 at 08:40 PM
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In high school, I would often come to school reading a book one day, and the next day be reading a different one...the reactions from my classmates varied from, "wait, weren’t you reading a different book?" to "well, at least I have a life."

The funny thing, though, was that I wasn’t ever caught reading Tolkien--my copy is a massive one volume edition that was far too heavy to carry around!
earendils_star 13/Sep/2006 at 11:48 PM
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I find it really sad that there are people in my class at school that will never have read a book longer than 10 pages in their life, except maybe for homework, and are proud of it! Firerose Arien, I get that a lot from classmates as well: I’ve got to the point where I’ll be reading in registration, someone asks me (mockingly) what I’m reading and I’ll answer, ’A book,’ in a very patronising tone of voice.
lalla 14/Sep/2006 at 04:26 AM
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Yes, it is really sad that young people does not read at all! No newspapers, no novels, not even comics... And they are actually proud of it!!!

Anyway, as a teacher I soon  found out that Tolkien can be a way to bring students to reading. Once you enter that magic world you just can’t put the book down! So, thank you Tolkien

An Capall Dubh 14/Sep/2006 at 06:48 AM
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To be honest,I don’t really care what other people think when I read Tolkien’s books.There are no strange places to read books in my opinion but I believe that most of us have a preference of location.Going by the latter it might seem strange for people who are not familiar with the Master’s books or badly informed.
Ygdrazill 14/Sep/2006 at 07:32 AM
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Nieliqui Vaneyar thanks for the welcome. I really enjoy it here, even though i just found this page. To say the truth i have looked for a homepage like this for a long time now. I did find some but none can even be compared to this. Good structure, good knowledge hall and people just like myself! Internet sure is the best human invention  Up here you can talk all day about what you find intresting and none will comment it in a negative way. Heaven on internet! Now i can finally stop looking Irl after people like me,i know now where i can find them and in greater number

Helekwen 14/Sep/2006 at 12:39 PM
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Ygdrazil- I know it’s great! (Though the only problem is you become addicted and get massive phone bills!)

Discovered today that reading ’The Silmarillion’ in school/ on the bus is considered even weirder than reading LotR! I miss the days when reading at all was acceptable- nowadays people think I’m mad when I tell them I don’t watch TV- so I’ve stopped telling them!

nEUroTIc 15/Sep/2006 at 09:16 AM
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i have gotten caught loads and loads of times readin lotr and the hobbit in class,bus everywhere...so much so that i have been caught by the same teacher thrice for readin lotr consecutively..whenever i have nuthin to do i turn to tolkien..only book i have not read multiple number of times is the silmarillion
Arweniel* 15/Sep/2006 at 01:08 PM
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I have had so many funny looks when reading Tolkien that I have lost count!  Why is it considered such a nerdy thing to read? Possibly it could be that I spent the summer rereading LOTR in the playground while watching my four kids.  It seems that if you are female you are expected to read only fluffy chick lit, but i couldn’t do without my LOTR fix every so often!
Ygdrazill 15/Sep/2006 at 04:45 PM
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Haha helekwen no phone bills for me  I can spend all the time i want on the internet and still it only cost a specific sum a month. This page will be especially good on days when you just wanna relax and get away from the real life for a moment. I can sure use some of those moments, i can unsure you of that. My life is getting to complicated nowdays.

I had darn luck once while reading the Silmarilion. (Im just gonna begin to say that i can play piano quit well, listens to classical mucis and reads alloth of Tolkien). And so this was during music class, on a sertain day when we were sopposed to read the entire day but still be in the classrooms we were sopposed to be in, and my teacher spots me sitting playing the piano and he comes up to me and asks me what i were playing. I unplugged the headphones and played some Für Elise for him. I realise then that he him self were an exelent pianist and he allso listed to classical music so he really liked me very much all the sudden  And then he tells me to continue reading and i pick up The Silmarillion. And he were just staring from the book to me back and forth and tells me that he absolutely adored Tolkien and all he ever wrote. Guess if I got the highest grade or what xD

Estel Underhill 16/Sep/2006 at 11:48 AM
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The first time I read the Hobbit happened to be while I was going away to Germany for a while. I had started it beforehand so I just had to bring it. I didn’t have loads of time for reading, because of course we were off sightseeing etc. But we did go on some day trips to various pats of Bavaria and while travelling on the bus I’d bring the book with me. Although I really shouldn’t have been because a tour guide would be standing at the top of the bus talking about everywhere we passed. We went on three trips and out of the three we had the same women, Chris, twice. All the time she was talking I’d be trying to read the book. Lets just say she gave me more than one dirty look!
Turambar_77 16/Sep/2006 at 11:59 AM
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My experienc is already a couple of years ago: I was reading the Silmarillion on the bus to England. Some fellow pupils and I were on our way to our english exchange students. And our English teacher was going through the bus, and saw me holding the Silmarillion book with this nice painting printed on the cover, and he asked "What the hell are you reading there, a history book?". I thought that was quite unfair... Anyway, I told him it was a history book about Middle-Earth...
Rissien 17/Sep/2006 at 05:51 AM
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i get strange looks enough just carrying a replica of the one ring in my pocket wherever I go, and then when i start rereading the books. Not to mention when i start my smeagol imitations. But I do think its sad when ppl ask if you had seen the movies. Of course, a Tolkien fan I have. Then they ask well you already know what happens, so why are you reading it. i want to smack them so bad sometimes. Not only are there differences, and far more in depth, but maybe because I like to read and it is a good way of passing the time when im supposed to be watching for ppl who arnt coming to my post
Endril 17/Sep/2006 at 08:11 AM
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. This is a very nice thread. I can’t say that I was cought reading Tolkien in any weird place still people look in a weird way at you when you reread the books. Allso those who live with you tend to believe you crazi when your computer is filled with LOTR pictures, your room with Tolkien books ans weapons and a computer that has the Plaza as a momepage.
Helekwen 17/Sep/2006 at 11:25 AM
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Ygdrazil- I’m not suprised you started playing piano if you were supposed to spend the whole day reading ’The Silmarillion’! It’s a great book but I can’t cope with more than an hour at a time!

But really, why do people act like people reading Tolkien, or indeed any classic, are mad? Personally I think that classics are far better than the modern trash we get nowadays!

Kristanyann 17/Sep/2006 at 12:37 PM
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Despite it’s start as a children’s read, Lord of the Rings is quite an in depth and complicated subject to understand with all the history and individuals that all contributed to the evolution of Middle Earth throughout all of the ages. No one should be ashamed of Tolkien’s writings. It is as influential as a textbook of science, and I’m proud to be a student of Tolkien.
Raen_Nem 17/Sep/2006 at 05:00 PM
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I think you should be pround of this . . . I mean, C’mon! The fact that you are still reading The Hobbit as an adult is awsome! As "Ali G" says, "Respec"
Linaelin 18/Sep/2006 at 02:13 PM
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I used to feel really odd about people staring at me when I read the Hobbit.  Then I realized, I had a version that actually looked more like a kid’s book. Once I got a version that looked more like a novel, people really didn’t care even though they knew what I was reading.  It’s definitely a case of judging the book by its cover!
Jinniver Thynne 18/Sep/2006 at 02:55 PM
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Funny places to read LotR? Well back when I was reading the books for the first time in the early 80s (very slowly as I was really savouring them) I used to take which volume I was on to school with me, and school being a bit like the Ape House at Chester Zoo in terms of tomfoolery and noise, I found a nice quiet spot to go and read in at break time. This was in a disused cloakroom under a pile of broken chairs. I was only little so nobody could follow me under them, even if they’d thought of it. So I associate LotR with the smell of damp canvas chair covers and dusty lino.

As for sarcy comments, I had plenty of those when I went to do an English degree and revealed I was a ’deeply uncool’ Tolkien fan. As it was in the early 90s. Then in recent years at work I had the happy chance to be posted with equally like minded nerds and could talk Tolkien all day. Now I’m posted with a few people who think a ’Book’ is Heat magazine or somesuch chick lit tripe.

Avartindomeion 22/Sep/2006 at 12:19 AM
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hahaha most kids in my year have never read a book without being forced to for work in by which some of them just make up stories, haha funny how much their missing out on and how there minds cant’t really seem to comprehend another world or expand their imaginations by any means what so ever. luckily according to most of my freinds I look like that of a dim-witted fool so know -one seems to claim anything to my name and plus i can nail em all in sports:P but lotr is great for a substition in an english class when everyone is busy having the teacher read us "the Merhcant Of Venice" i think ive come to hate Shakespeares works thanks to my teacher
Merriam Miggles 22/Sep/2006 at 02:41 PM
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I guess the oddest place I’ve ever read LOTR was in my closet. Yeah, not very creative, but let me explain. My family and I had just moved into a new house. It was pretty old, about fifty years, and none of the rooms had working lights, except for my closet. So every evening, after dark, I would go into my closet and read. I acually read the whole book in there. My parents thought I was crazy, though. I was a little old to be playing in my closet.

It’s not just kids who don’t appreciate Tolkien, and reading in general. I’ve met adults who think that I am wasting my time with books, especially LOTR. My father is among them. He thinks that books are worthless and that they are just made-up stories that have no significant importance in real life. Alot of his friends, and other family members, are like that. Whenever I see them, they ask me if I still like LOTR, as if it’s just a phase that the’re waiting for me to grow out of! It makes me sad that many people don’t read books. Books are such an important part of my life, I sometimes wish more people could see books in the way I do.

Ressien: I used to carry a replica of the ring with me too. Except I wore mine on a chain around my neck. It inspires some pretty intresting/uncomfortable conversations. I think the worst was when my history teacher, who already thought that I was weird, mistook it for a family heirloom. I then had to explain to her what it really was. She looked at me as if I was insane.

Arvellas 23/Sep/2006 at 03:24 PM
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Jinniver Thynne-There are people out there who think that it is "deeply uncool" to enjoy the work of a renowned linguist/Oxford professor?  Good grief!

I’ve been seen reading The Hobbit in school--not really all that exciting, but people kept looking at it and saying "Is that a good book?" as though they had never heard of it before.  I told them all, "Of course it is!  It’s by the same person who wrote The Lord of the Rings."  Then some of them said, "Oh, I’ve seen those movies."  I just gave them murderous stares.  Movies?  MOVIES?!  You think all there is to The Lord of the Rings is MOVIES?!

At least my art teacher had some appreciation for it--my copy has the author’s illustrations, so my teacher spent some time admiring the paintings! (Especially the one of Smaug.)

geordie 23/Sep/2006 at 03:42 PM
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my teacher spent some time admiring the paintings! (Especially the one of Smaug.)

I’ve seen the original painting. In an exhibition at the Bodleian Library in Oxford, in 1992. It’s gorgeous!

And - there’s a lovely, accurate reproduction in a book called JRR Tolkien: Artist and Illustrator by Hammond & Scull. in it, the authors tell us that Tolkien gave a New Year lecture for children in 1938, on dragons, and he took this picture along to illustrate his talk. He explained that this picture was ’by my friend Mr Bilbo Baggins’ and is of the species draco nobilis

Phoenix 23/Sep/2006 at 07:41 PM
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In grade 9, I took my trilogy with me to school everyday. I would read them on the bus ride there and back, in English class when we were forced to read books (my teacher would take points off if you forgot a book... didn’t happen with me). I became rather known for being a LOTR fanatic. Though I made a few friends from that... that’s a good thing.
nEUroTIc 24/Sep/2006 at 07:49 AM
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holy moly..crap.. i got caught again..this time reading the unfinished tales..that too during class..the teacher looked so mad..i was afraid she would slap me..well not that it would have mattered..what matters is that she took the book and dragged me with her to the deans office...and now the book is lying somewhere in his room..

hope atleast that he reads it

Arvellas 24/Sep/2006 at 04:59 PM
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nEUroTIc-*hugs* I hope you get it back sooner or later!  Good books are like good friends...you can miss them a lot when they’re not around.  In the mean time, try not to feel too down about it.

Kit-When I was in 9th grade, I took an elective literature class in which LOTR was part of the curriculum.  A class in which you’re rewarded with good grades for reading LOTR...now that was fun!

earendils_star 24/Sep/2006 at 11:45 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Rissien Dunami on Sunday, September 17, 2006
i get strange looks enough just carrying a replica of the one ring in my pocket wherever I go, and then when i start rereading the books. Not to mention when i start my smeagol imitations. But I do think its sad when ppl ask if you had seen the movies. Of course, a Tolkien fan I have. Then they ask well you already know what happens, so why are you reading it. i want to smack them so bad sometimes. Not only are there differences, and far more in depth, but maybe because I like to read and it is a good way of passing the time when im supposed to be watching for ppl who arnt coming to my post
I get strange looks rereading any book! Even my family ask me, "Didn’t you read that before?" I mean, they should have got used to me by now, and my strange habits of getting books out from the library six or seven times.... heh
Brennaisolde 25/Sep/2006 at 11:23 AM
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Where I live, we have a beautiful waterfront park with picnic swings facing the water. A favorite place of mine to get lost in Middle Earth! While laying down on a swing one cool autumn day I began to hear chuckles from some teenage boys walking past. So I looked over, grinned, and politely said..."boys, ya’ll can’t handle this type of device, there are no control pads, get to walkin". Of course they then roared in laughter and one boy even claimed to have read many of Tolkien’s works. So, I guess theres hope for the next generation yet!  As far as being embarrassed by it, NEVER! I’d be embarrassed if I was one of those people that sat in front of a television all day never even attempting to reach for a book!

Kaulargorn 25/Sep/2006 at 12:39 PM
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It happened to me once at school during lesson time! I was as usually bored during the lesson of history and at that time I was reading the two towers for the first time.The night before I had read approximately 100 pages and my interest was quite big.So I put the book in the school bag and it was one of the few times I didn’t care so much about history boredom.Unfortunately the teacher caught me reading it and had an argue.I proposed to analyze it from a historical aspect but he denied! The worst of all was that I had to put it back into the bag and come back to the boredom reality of the schoolclass
Arvellas 25/Sep/2006 at 07:55 PM
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Brennaisolde-Way to go!  Sounds like a great place to read a book.  For me, all I have to do is look out the window of my house to be reminded of the Shire; it’s very cheery and green around here, with lots of rural farmland.  Deeper into the trees, though, it can be more reminiscent of an Elven stronghold!
Laielinwen 26/Sep/2006 at 02:23 AM
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It is well known among my fellow teachers that I’m a big Tolkien fan and I incorporate Tolkien’s works into  my curriculum at various times. Some find it amusing and others fascinating. Some comment that my being female they are surprised I’m so ’into’ those books. I’m so crazy for Tolkien that I just see it as an opportunity to try to share the love and hopefully encourage others to read his works too. I do know that I’ve had the parents of students read the books because of my enthusiasm for them and how I integrate them into our classwork at certain times.
Andusar Elatani 26/Sep/2006 at 06:09 AM
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Thats pretty cool Laielinwen I know reading the hobbit in 8th grade, I think it was, is what got me so crazy about Tolkien’s work.  I have read his books ever since and recently started delving into the Quenya Language along with learning the Tengwar script.  It is sad how many people look down on his books as some geeky scifi story, when it is such phenomenal piece of literature.  I know I read it at my college and work on stuff everywhere and people have asked me about it. when I explain it some scoff at me but others say they will have to read it.  The movies helped bring it back to the spotlight and I know alot of people that became just as crazy as I am after seeing the movies and getting the books. 
Brennaisolde 26/Sep/2006 at 06:21 AM
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Arvellas,

Your home sounds lovely! I would have to go a little further upstate to see what you have outside your window! We live in a coastal area. Tolkien is perfect anywhere though!

Eorl Boarhelm 26/Sep/2006 at 10:31 AM
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Once I was sitting in the waiting room at the doctor’s reading the Silmarillion- a Ballantine version, the back cover of which proudly proclaimed- ’The Story of the Creation of the World!’

So this guy sitting opposite me called, ’Dude, is that the Bible?’
Laielinwen 26/Sep/2006 at 12:54 PM
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 Eorl. And you said?

Andusar I agree about the movies. halfir and I have had this discussion lots as to wether the movies help or hurt the books and Tolkien’s story as a whole. Do they draw readers to the books that may never have read them before? I think so. Do they cause people to be misinformed about the stories and the characters because some will see the movies and judge the books based on them? Yeah I think that happens too. Still... If any new readers come to the books I think it is worth it. I love hearing about others that found the books as a teenages like I did. It is very special.
Arvellas 26/Sep/2006 at 05:43 PM
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Adusar Elatani-I too could not agree more with you about the movies.  This generation seems to have the mindset that if it’s not electronic, it isn’t worth jack, and of course they have no idea what they are missing.  I love reading and think that books are the coolest thing ever.  Movies can be fun now and then, but I could live without ’em.  The movies are of course good for publicity, but readers need to remember that the books came first, and that they ought to judge the movies by the books and not the other way around.  And scifi?  Well, I remember the time I once spent a good portion of my lunch break trying to explain to a friend what the difference was between science fiction and epic fantasy.  I still don’t know if she gets it.

Eorl Boarhelm-I would have said, "Yeah, the Elven Bible."

Andusar Elatani 29/Sep/2006 at 09:47 AM
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Yea it is hard to get people to realize that the books came long before the movies. Actually some of the first drafts came before television. LOL.  I work at my campus’s library and I read the books at work to get people to ask me. Like just this morning I am rereading the Book of Lost Tales 1 and someone came up and asked me what it was about and when I told them about it they had no idea Tolkien had ever written it.  So i like and try to get people into it.  And then try and get them here once they are hooked.

The Elven Bible lol.

actually there are parts of the bible that have been translated to quenya now if the whole thing was it would be awesome.

lalla 03/Oct/2006 at 07:41 AM
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I was caught reading Tolkien in strange places lots of times. I usually trie to explain why I’m reading Tolkien, and that he’s not a writer for children. For many people, fantasy= for kids. It’s so stupid and frustrating! Every time, I try to explain and I try to make them understand how big and deep Tolkien’s world can be.
Aralaiqualassë 07/Oct/2006 at 02:11 AM
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Everyone in my school know that I’m a huge fan of Lord of the Ring.....When the book was given to me by my step-father, I always bring it to everywhere I went. To read it over and over again.

In my school, i often read it even when my teacher teaching right in front of me.Some said I’d gone crazy cause I often bring a book as thick as Bible like Harry Potter, chinese novels, etc....Weird cause I didn’t even finish reading the Bible when I give up on that book.

One day when i’m too...well, distracted by the book when my disciplin teacher teaching, someone touch my shoulder to get my attention. I just slap the had away thinking that’s my friends’. Imagine how shock when I look up and saw all my friends look behind me. Then a hand come to my shoulder again, I follow the hand till it reach to a shoulder, a tall guy shoulder, up to his face.....OMG!!! I’m so dead.....There’s my dicipline teacher, standing right behind me God know for how long. Looking down at me with a smirk on his face that I wish I will faint right at that spot. Grinning+smirking=DANGER!!!!RUN FOR COVER!!!!

All my friends laugh behind my back......My teacher took my PRECIOUSSS..book away for a whole day before he return it to me.....All others teacher also laugh at me when they know about it....Thanks God all my teachers very friendly, and luckily my teacher never report my behavior to my father nor pricipal or I’ll kick out of my school before I can say
Tolkien.


Laitaine Adarlas 07/Oct/2006 at 02:25 AM
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Hey, I had an experience like that!

I was given a hard cover copy of LotR for my 18th birthday.  It was a school day so I was reading it in all my classes.  When we came to English, and were supposed to be reading our texts, I continued reading LotR.  My teacher tells me off.  So I hid LotR inside the cover of my English text and continued away happily.  However, when said teacher walked past and noticed she confiscated it and put it in her desk.  In protest, I sat there with my arms folded and refused to read Tess of the D’Urberville’s.

Luckily for me, the teacher left the room and I got to run to her desk and get my book back.  I got to read until she came back and shortly after that, the lesson ended.  Haha, you can’t keep a good Tolkien fan down!

I only get funny looks when I read the Unfinished Tales.  My friends find it hard to understand why I would read a story that was never completed.

Aralaiqualassë 07/Oct/2006 at 11:13 AM
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Lauzicles- Yup, you’re right.

Talking about funny look...I oftern got that’s kind of look when I’m reading books of fiction. They think I’m crazy cause when I read a book or surf the net for fiction I can awake for 24 hours and so on without sleep or drink. I didn’t even move from that seat that they have to force me.

My mum also said I was incuredable. She always gives me a funny look that say you are a weirdo cause I often laugh at what I read. In Lord of the Ring I also laugh the part where Legolas and Gimli always bickering (Did I spell that right?) She even use my favourite food just to LURE me to stand up.But I just take the food and sit back right where I left.

And I always give people a if-you-disturb-me-DIE glare. And although I’m very forgiving person, but when comes to fictions or book especially Lord of the Ring, I’ll not forgive them quite a long time^^ I will glare and give them a cold shoulder. They deserve it *smirk*


Agravaine 07/Oct/2006 at 05:34 PM
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Well, this thread certainly hasn’t been that pretensious.
Arvellas 07/Oct/2006 at 06:11 PM
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Andusar Elatani-*high five* Enjoying books=very good thing.  Introducing other to the wonders of literature=even better.

Aralaiqualasse-I can definitely relate to the "if-you-disturb-me-DIE" glare.  My parents always get ticked off about that, but if I’m fully immersed, what can I say?

Nenarye 09/Oct/2006 at 07:37 AM
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Aralaigualasse: Oh yes. I know all about this. My parents or my brother will come up to me and say something like,"your not an elf, get of the computer" and generally just kinda make fun of me for being such a Tolkien geek. But I give them the "if-you-disturb-me-DIE" glare, and that backs them of a little . . .

But to the topic. I really think there is no problem with reading the Hobbit. You don’t outgrow these kind of things. I was acctually at play practice the other day, reading the Hobbit, as some people hadn’t shown up yet. And at least five people came up to me and said, "your reading the Hobbit?!"
"um, yes?"
"isn’t that a childrens book?"
And again, I give them the "if-you-disturb-me-DIE" glare, and they back off laughing at my "childness". But is it really childness? Reading a good book, a timeless classic? I think not.
Arvellas 09/Oct/2006 at 03:45 PM
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Nénaryé-So true!  All the best stuff never gets old!  And one of the great things about any of Tolkien’s books is that you can read them on what ever level you want; it’s posible to enjoy The Hobbit as a children’s book, or as serious literature, if you’re willing to appreciate it for the work of art that it is.

I’ve been caught immersed in LOTR at midnight, or even one in the morning...not all that wise, considering I get up at six.  So I go to bed, sleep, get up, get ready for school, and then...sit down and read some more, so my mom will open the door to my room to let the cat in, and the cat will try to sit on either me or the book.

Nenarye 09/Oct/2006 at 05:10 PM
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Arvellas-
Battlehamster 11/Nov/2006 at 05:36 PM
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One of my fondest memories of 8th grade is from when my homeroom/English teacher saw me reading Silmarillion.  After that, throughout the year we had an ongoing (friendly) arguments over whether it was amazing, exciting, tragic... (me) or boring (her).  It was just nice to meet someone who actually knew what it is!

About the affect of the movies:  I was going to see TT with a friend of mine who had brought along the book.  These girls ahead of us turned around and were like "I didn’t know the novelization had come out already!"  And the was like "I don’t know why anyone would read it.  Gandalf is such a take-off of Dumbledore." 

nEUroTIc 12/Nov/2006 at 06:42 AM
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nice one battlehamster..i have experienced that too a lot of times..i had read the lotr trilogy..and when i got hold of the silmarillion i just couldnt keep my eyes off it..i read it everywhere..while eating..while studying..even in the bathroom..well finally got caught one day and then my mom hid the book so that i could pay more attention to studies
Endril 12/Nov/2006 at 07:12 AM
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I’m the keeper and guardian of the books. You can’t take them from me. Muhuhuhuhahaha!!!
Severus Snape 12/Nov/2006 at 07:21 AM
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Well, I’ve read all the LotR books numerous times, as well as The Hobbit. And Silmarillion. And Book of Lost Tales. And Peoples of MIddle Earth. And the odd one or two others. But I’ve never been ashamed or embarrassed about reading Tolkien... plenty of my friends love Tolkien too. And the ones that don’t, it doesn’t really matter. We just have a difference of opinion about it.

Battlehamster - yeh, people who think that Potter came first really crack me up.
Arvellas 12/Nov/2006 at 08:06 PM
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Battlehamster-Gah...they actually said that? *will slap anyone who dares show the nerve and ignorance to call Gandalf a ripoff of Dumbledore*

I don’t about y’all, but that’s the kind of thing that just makes me, well, angry!  It’s sad that people don’t read anymore!  Not even knowing that the books came out first, and way before HP was ever written?  There is simply no excuse for that.

Endril 12/Nov/2006 at 09:16 PM
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It might be because the DVD store is much closer than the book store or because the book store seems not so interesting for them as the DVD one. Whatever the lack of information seems to be great not only regarding LOTR. And BTW I always end up in the book store and than for a few moments in the DVD one.
Battlehamster 17/Nov/2006 at 03:23 PM
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Yes, beyond the fact that Gandalf is way cooler than Dumbledore, there is that little fact that Gandalf was created about half a century before Dumbledore.
I have discovered that I have to stay away from the bookstore-otherwise it’s this wormhole that sucks me in and spits me out through this strange timewarp where, while only a few moments passed for me, hours have passed in the outside world.

Calenaldawen 19/Nov/2006 at 12:25 PM
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I can spend hours in a bookstore.(Exspecially in the fantasy corner). I just started reading the Silmarillion. Before I had read some parts of it in a bookstore.
Arvellas: It makes me sad too. A lot of people think your stupid if you like to read.
TobiasFalco 21/Nov/2006 at 02:22 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Arvellas on Sunday, November 12, 2006

It’s sad that people don’t read anymore! Not even knowing that the books came out first, and way before HP was ever written? There is simply no excuse for that.




Indeed it is a sad day when the youth of this world and adults for that matter stop reading or understanding their history of literature. Makes you wonder what they are teaching them in school these days.

However on a story note I decided to start reading the Fellowship of the Ring again and took it with me while going to a fast food restaurant to grab some lunch the other day. As I was sitting down enjoying the book and my lunch one of the employees walked by and then took a double take at my book. I just smiled and watched as he walked off and I hear the small laughter coming from the counter not 20 feet away. It’s too bad really that people just don’t have the intelligence to appreciate a good book anymore.
Ankala Teaweed 22/Nov/2006 at 05:44 PM
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In the late ’60s when I was in public school, I was thought to be "weird" because I read fantasy and sci-fi. Well, my wonderful Dad gave me all of his fantasy and sci-fi. (yay Dad!)
But back then, where I lived, the other kids actually thought that only boys were supposed to like these genres and they would ask me why wasn’t I reading romance (meaning the cheap pulp romances). ACK!! The other girls tried to tell me "girls are supposed to like romance," but of course I felt sorry for them and repelled by their choice of literature. 

Battlehamster 23/Nov/2006 at 01:47 PM
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Even now, at the Barnes and Noble I go to a lot they have the Sci-fi/ Fantasy section right by the romance section.  So when I’m standing there, reading some novel that I’m too cheap to buy, right in front of the Tolkien or Neil Gaiman or (I’ll admit it) Star Wars section, I’ll get weird looks from people like "Shouldn’t you be 6 feet to the right?"
Nenarye 25/Nov/2006 at 04:40 PM
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Battlehamster - Wow . That is incredible! Not to mention the most riduculous thing I have ever heard! I hope you repremanded them! Wow!
Nenarye 26/Nov/2006 at 07:55 AM
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calenaldawen - I know. The fact that people think your stupid for reading a book is just wierd to me. Doesn’t it take more intellect to read than to watch MTV or somthing?

And oh yeah, I can relate to your "problem" of spending hours in a bookstore. It’s the same way with me, I pick up a few books to read, just a little excerpt, and end up spending half of the day in the bookstore.
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When i was in high school every one knew that i was a huge Tolkien fun and used to look me as if there was something wrong with me. My history teacher curious as she was asked me what was all this books about. After explaining ti her and lending her the Silm she suprisingly came up with the conclusion that the reason that i was so good in history was because i used to read over and over again tha battles of Midlle Earth.

So many years after i do not recall not even one line of the history books but i haven’t forgotten not even one word from Tolkien’s books

Nenarye 27/Nov/2006 at 09:26 AM
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Bobadillo - Haha, people look at me as if I’m wierd also, but they also accept me for who I am, however wierd I am (although I do not think a love of Tolkien is wierd . . .).

I do have some other wierd thing about me though I have a mild case of OCD, I’m germaphobic, and I love Japanese culture and espicially Domo-kun.

But anyways, I feel you.
Mirkwoodworker 27/Nov/2006 at 04:25 PM
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I carried The Lord of the Rings with me in high school and occasionally people would make fun of the book as "just fantasy." I gradually just learned to ignore them. But 30 years later I still feel a little awkward about carrying one of his books in public. If I’m sitting at a table I turn the book over so that just the back is showing. It’s stupid, I know.
Calenaldawen 29/Nov/2006 at 11:19 AM
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Some weeks ago I talked about movies with a guy from my class. I said that I liked the LOTR movies and that the books were the best books ever. He answered: "What’s the point in reading the books if you can watch the movies."

Nenarye: If you watch MTV you just have to press a putton. But if you read a book you have to open it and search for the page and the line your on.
Nenarye 29/Nov/2006 at 12:13 PM
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calenaldawen - Just more evidence that the average world IQ level is diminishing
Battlehamster 01/Dec/2006 at 04:37 PM
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EEEK!  AAAGH!  NOO! Grrr

There is no instance in which watching a movie is any  substitute at all for reading the book.  Calenaldawen, I can’t believe that any one could say that!  Well, actually I can, which is kind of sad.  It reminds me of last year in English class when we read The Scarlett Letter and then our teacher had us watch the most recent movie of it.  I thought we were going to die from laughing so hard.  Then I got angry, and then just kind of sad.  What is the world coming to? 

Ahh, I suppose I should be reassured by the fact that everyone laughed, but...

Beriel_1229 01/Dec/2006 at 05:28 PM
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ARGH! I hate when people defile Tolkien by not reading the books! It makes me mad! They may never know about Tom Bombadil *whimpers* its evil ! And Glorfindel *crys*
Tenharien Calmcacil 02/Dec/2006 at 10:16 AM
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I dont really get mad unless theres a lot of hate coming at me. For the most part i pity the people who cant understand what tolkien is about. I feel sorry for people who talk bad about something they dont even know, or havnt experience. Its like their afraid to be wrong, or even more than that, afraid they will like it lolol.
Masisoar 02/Dec/2006 at 02:36 PM
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I pity those who do not embrace reading and those that believe intelligence is a negative quality as some are taught in lower grade levels (i.e. blah --> Nerds) and the such.

Lord of the Rings and the surrounding background books are a masterpiece that you can only benefit from if you take the chance to see their true beauty.

If someone said anything distastful about me reading any of the books I’d give them an odd look and simply ask them why reading’s so negative.
Manbourne 03/Dec/2006 at 03:15 AM
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The book/s rock no doubt in hell about it, and i also do like the movies but there is no comparison between book and film, the book is always better in anycase. but i also experience this problem, and it agrevates me, i carry the hobbit with me every ware. people did not laugh ( to my face at least.) i got word back that my name was bismerched as a "tolkien bum boy" not my words i assure you. but it shows you how respected you are that you are judged by what book you read, they do not know but i get satisfaction that there lives suck and they got nothing better to do that judge me, im proud ( at least i can read somthing other that loaded magasine - porn -.) but tolkien is no doubt the greatest writer i have heard of.
Nenarye 03/Dec/2006 at 10:03 AM
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Masisoar - Just like MR. T
Laitaine Adarlas 03/Dec/2006 at 07:59 PM
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My friend and I have reached an agreement.  She refuses to read the LotR books even though she loved the movies and even went to RotK premiere with me.  But she gets angry at me for wanting to watch the Harry Potter movies before I read the books, which I refuse to do.  Well, that is until I point out the hypocritical point in her argument.

I only got into trouble once for reading Tolkien but no one looks at me funny for reading.  In fact, everyone at my Uni knows me as the girl who sits on the steps and reads book after book.  I get complete strangers asking me what I’m reading and whether it’s good.  I have recommended Tolkien many a time!

Nenarye 03/Dec/2006 at 08:52 PM
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Laitaine - I actually thing you should read the Harry Potter books. While not quite up to par with LotR, they are are still worth reading.

You should try harder to get her to read LotR. She will be happy once she does I’ll wager
Tenharien Calmcacil 03/Dec/2006 at 08:59 PM
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Heh, I remember back in grade school I pissed my teacher off because I lied to her and told her i had not read the hobbit before. Mind you this was for a book report and i had done the book 2 previous times. She found it funny, and didnt really care after a while since my report was different each time. I had no shame.
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An acquaintance of mine who is two years younger than me and who enjoys reading dinosaur books (!) was really shocked when she saw me reading LotR... She told me I was too old for reading children’s books...... And she reads these Lucky Luke comics and dinosaur books herself... honestly...

Norin Deathfoot 04/Dec/2006 at 05:44 AM
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I still like to read LotR, last time I read I carried the book around with me in a small bag (it fit the book perfectly!). To be honest, I don’t care what people think of what I’m reading. Half the people on my course (and this is university level mind you) don’t read books at all.... ever... they say it’s boring. Course books they read when they must, but actual story books? They’d rather watch the movie...
Nenarye 04/Dec/2006 at 09:18 AM
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"They’d rather watch the movie..."


Which is rather sad . . .
Laitaine Adarlas 05/Dec/2006 at 06:50 AM
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Norin - Almost all of the books read by my University friends are course textbooks.  And they call reading novels like the LotR boring?  Go figure.

Btw, Nenarye, I know I should read Harry Potter but I’m not going to.  It’s more of the principle of it now.  I couldn’t very well let her win now, can I?

Tenharien Calmcacil 05/Dec/2006 at 07:48 AM
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To tell you the truth i’d rather watch the movies too, but only because i want to see what i have read. I want to be able to put it all together, because sometimes stuff is confusing, really. I mean i love to read more than anything, but nothing is better for me than to read a book and see the movie almost right after. For people that dont like reading, i guess they just would rather watch something, but if you like both, reading then watching is golden. For me anyway.
Nenarye 05/Dec/2006 at 07:59 AM
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Laitaine -
Tenharien Calmcacil 05/Dec/2006 at 09:18 AM
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I think i’m going to be reading different books this christmas, but as a trade ill et my brother reading the lord of the rings in my place so that will make up for it lol. I should try to get as many as i can to read them, then we can talk about them when we come back.
Nessa Moon 05/Dec/2006 at 05:22 PM
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I was young when I started reading the books. I loved the books so much that I have read them over and over countless times. My parents and other people who are close to me just scoff and call it silly. If they could only understand the beauty of the books and well as books in general.
Tenharien Calmcacil 05/Dec/2006 at 07:36 PM
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I think for the most part its very very hard to convince someone to read something or even watch something that you like. I have remembered countless times where someone told me to read a book and i neglected it, or a tv show, but in the end i ended up loving it, so mayeb pressure is the way to go, untill people give in to their stubborness.
Laielinwen 06/Dec/2006 at 01:47 AM
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Something that is very disheartening to me, that I’ve observed more and more is an overall laziness in people. Many just can’t be bothered to ’read’ when the more instant way of getting the story is available... the movies. It is like the microwave approach to story/entertainment. It is also sad that we see more and more limited vocabulary because people choose not to read and expose themselves to new words and phrases.

Books always have so much to offer and it is a shame that often students (especially older ones) are made to feel it isn’t ’cool’ to be reading... or to be reading something classic or fantastic. It makes me a bit sad. I think everyone should always have ’a book going’. If someone asks you, "What are you reading?" there should be ’something’ you can name.  My own kids and I always have something we are reading. I rarely leave home without a book in my purse as well.

Laitaine Adarlas 06/Dec/2006 at 07:52 AM
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My sister had to read Tess of the d’Urberville’s for English in year 12 (So did I!  I died a little inside!  It was so painful and long winded and I now want to force Thomas Hardy to eat every copy ever published) and instead of reading it, she got the audio tapes.  Is that more or less lazy than watching the movies?  You still get the whole book but you’re only using your ears.
Laielinwen 06/Dec/2006 at 09:44 AM
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 I’m thinking it is better than the movies but still qualifies as lazy though perhaps it could be justified as convenience instead depending.  I know a lot that listen to books on tape while driving to and from work and or school. I still think reading the book is the best.
Though books that are icky... yeah let the author’s nibble the pages. haha
I’d never make a generalization as such though to say that all that listen to books on tape are lazy... so let me make that disclaimer! hehe
Nenarye 06/Dec/2006 at 11:01 AM
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"I know a lot that listen to books on tape while driving to and from work and or school.

I can’t even listen to books on tape while driving. I like to concentrate on the road because I haven’t been driving for long. So If I end up listening, it compramisies my driving skills, and in turn, my life. So I try to steer clear of books on tape while driving. That’s not to say that I don’t sometimes enjoy listening to a book when I’m feeling lazy, it’s a nice little break for the old optical organs.
Laielinwen 06/Dec/2006 at 11:10 AM
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Excellent point Nenarye!
Endril 06/Dec/2006 at 12:06 PM
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Laielin: Nice to see you back arround and a lot lol. I want to ask you if the tapes are in a way the books read and recorded. I meen are they accurate and follow the story or are modifyed and shorted as ere the movies? I would love t listen to the tapes sometime but never saw them. 
Laielinwen 06/Dec/2006 at 01:33 PM
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Thanks Legolas it is good to be alive and back!
It really depends on which tapes you get. You can get ones that are direct readings from the books. I had all my kids read the books before they were allowed to see the movies. My youngest at the time was a little too young for the reading comprehension level of the LOTR so he took the books and we listened to the tapes as we drove back and forth. It was important to me that they have it all in their own heads using their own imaginations before allowing PJ’s vision to be introduced. I think I ordered them off Amazon. Actually they are CDs and not tapes but they come both ways.  Pretty cool to have. I have the Sil on CD too.
Arvellas 06/Dec/2006 at 08:11 PM
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*is proud to be member of the "nerd table" at school, so called because we often read at lunch*

In general, I believe the best way to experience a story is on paper, because you know you’re getting the real deal, and also because picking up a book is a sensual delight.  I like to look at the cover, the endpapers, the font, etc., weigh it in my hands, touch the paper, and smell (yes, smell!) the book.  You can’t get that from a TV screen!  I also like that you can take books at your own pace, and "stop to smell the roses."  Sometimes I’ll reread the passages to enjoy the feel of the words or mull over little details, etc., whereas with a movie, you move at the director’s pace, which does not always allow you to get the full satisfaction out of each scene.

As for your wonderful microwave anology, Laie, I always knew I preferred barbecue!  It can take over twelve hours to prepare brisket properly...

Laielinwen 07/Dec/2006 at 02:30 AM
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 Arvellas... YES!
I totally agree with your thoughts on the sensual aspects of reading and experiencing a book. I too am a book sniffer.  I enjoy noting the quality of the paper as well... it is thick and coarse or more thin and smooth. I too love to experience and re-experience the phrasing used. I am such a lover of language and the written word. Actually, Naith and I often spend considerable time discussing various appreciated passages, sentences or phrases that are of quality and impressive to us. It is good to stimulate one’s mind with higher level thinking... Don’t get me started on Bloom’s though. haha

Oh and let me know when I can come over for brisket!

Nenarye 07/Dec/2006 at 09:37 AM
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I love the smell of old books or books that have gotten wet and then dried. I took The FoTR on a school river trip in the bottom of my dry bag, and it just so happened that my dry bag leaked a little bit. As it turns out, my book got totally soaked and grew 2 times over, just like those foam animals that when you but in water grow to be 10 times bigger.   Anyways, when I got home, I left it out to dry in the sun, and when it dried, it smelled wonderfull! I don’t know why I love that smell, I just do.

A lot of people in my class were laughing at me, asking why I had brought a book on the trip, but I just replied, "I like LotR. Plain and Simple."

Little bit of an understatment.
Laielinwen 07/Dec/2006 at 09:40 AM
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 Sounds nutty but I think I like that smell too!
Nenarye 07/Dec/2006 at 09:42 AM
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Battlehamster 07/Dec/2006 at 05:01 PM
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I love the old book smell!  my dad says it’s mildew, but I don’t care, it’s wonderful.   And the way the pages start to turn yellow and how the black words look on the page and the edges start to get fuzzy and rustle a bit more..  My problem is when I’m going on a plane i always want to bring LotR along to read, but it takes up so much room.  Also it has a tendency to fall apart.

Trust me Laitaine- You’re not missing anything not reading the Harry Potter books.  Those have to be some of the worse books ever written.

i always wonder why people complain that Tolkien describes stuff too much.  I mean, Steinbeck spends a whole chapter describing a turtle crossing the road in The Grapes of Wrath (which is, by the way, a great book.)

Nenarye 07/Dec/2006 at 05:19 PM
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Battlehamster - glad to hear your a smeller too

But I think it’s worth reading HP! I really like those books...

If you want to see someone describe a scene, read a Tolstoy book, War and Peace for example, he spends the first chapter describing men marching off to war...now that’s what I call descriptive!
Laielinwen 08/Dec/2006 at 01:51 AM
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Battlehamster - glad to hear your a smeller too
  Join the club.
When I read the Hobbit to my class there is that part where Tolkien describes the countryside in great great detail for pages and my kids’ eyes do seem to glaze over a bit so I hurry through that as much as I can. The detail helps us get such a rich mental picture though! Yeah it can slow the pace a tad but it has its own benefits and its part of the writing that I often notice new things in when I’m re-reading.
witwalking 08/Dec/2006 at 01:20 PM
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i went to my local library to get the books so i could understand things in the films better and my dad had a shouting session at me for doing so
Nenarye 08/Dec/2006 at 03:06 PM
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witwalking, why would your father do such thing? Seems kinda wierd to me . . .
Nírithil 08/Dec/2006 at 03:27 PM
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*joins the club of book-smellers* I loove how old books smell, and how the pages are all yellow. Though I also like how new books smell.
Arvellas 08/Dec/2006 at 08:11 PM
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*is glad to see so many other book-sniffers*  It’s funny how different books smell different and I end up associating their scents very closely with them.  I have one that smells like nutmeg, and whenever I smell nutmeg, or even hear someone talking about nutmeg, I think of that book.  My copy of LOTR still has the new book smell...it’s kind of like the new car smell.  It will be interesting to see how the scent changes as memories are added to it.
Dragon1160 08/Dec/2006 at 08:48 PM
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I am the only one in my college dorm that owns more than two books (about 300). They call me nerd and geek and stuff like that but I not only accept it I embrace it. I love books in every way, smell, sight, feel. *joins the club od book-smellers* I love the way that the bookd from 1645 smell the best but then some from the 1800’s are really good. But do you notice how the foreign language books smell? kind of different than english ones. I like the new books smell as well just the oldest books smell the best (all kinds of different people, places). I think that it takes intellect to read but more imagination to see the pictures that the author is trying to describe (though somethime vague). I mean TV has taken all of the imagination out of things. I like creating my own world of how it should look not someone elses ideas on the screen.
Nenarye 08/Dec/2006 at 09:23 PM
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Really, someone should make a book smeller club in the out of middle earth fora!   I think I may head over there right now a create it, seeing as there are so many book smeller people around.

Arvellas - I’m also really smell oriented that way. I have a few books that have a distinct smell, and when I smell it, it remineds me of that certain book.    It’s the same with a lot of other things, like my guitar case, which I bought while I was in Australia, and now whenever I smell it, it remindes me of the apartment I stayed in while there!
Battlehamster 09/Dec/2006 at 12:52 PM
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I always associate the old musty smell with Science fiction books because a bunch of my brother’s old sci-fi books were put in the basement forever.  And I remember the bookstores where I got my Tolkien books by how they smell.
Endril 09/Dec/2006 at 01:57 PM
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I love SF too, and buy sometimes a lot of SF books. But I stick to the fantasy. I love reading Tolkien and it’s one of the most interesting things to do. Also I tend to read the books a lot of times, and I get questions like, didn’t you raecthat before?  And I don’t answer.
Gorynhk 09/Dec/2006 at 05:42 PM
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Yes, people do seem to think you strange for reading LotR. In my reading period in school, a friend and I (both LotR superfans, we end up spending the period talking about lore and such) read Tolkien. Most at my school dismiss it as strange, they think LotR is nerdy and such. (However, I’ve met a girl who’s interested in it ) I do believe most of them haven’t seen the movies, read the books, or have had anything to do with it yet, though.
Nenarye 09/Dec/2006 at 05:46 PM
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But whatever, let them think what they want to think is what I say.
Battlehamster 11/Dec/2006 at 05:52 PM
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I read books over and over again, too. You have to read them more than once to catch all the good stuff, and then I like to go back and read my favorite aparts again, and then I put it away for a few days and then I’ll read it again.  The only problem is that’s kind of hard with library books.

All those TV obsessed fools don’t know what they’re missing...

Morgil 12/Dec/2006 at 12:13 AM
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*is smelling right now* I can do this because I am in my study. I have the good fortune to have over 2,800 books in my personal library. Enough of these came from used bookstores and are old enough to give my study that "used bookstore smell". It is heaven. I love reading and can’t understand how anyone can choose not to excercise their mind by doing so. I personally consider anyone who prefers something as asinine as MTV to books to be pathetic.

Battlehamster 12/Dec/2006 at 12:47 PM
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Ohhh... I’m jealous. I have a whole bunch of books in my room, but it still doesn’t have that smell. Not that I get books to contribute to the smell, I must hasten to add. But I have my shelves all organized so my favorite books are right by the futon where I sleep so I can just reach up and grab them. Tolkien stuff gets its very own mini-shelf.
Nenarye 12/Dec/2006 at 02:42 PM
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Battlehamster - I know you didn’t mean to, but be carfull not to post twice.

Oh, and if you want to get that good "old book" smell, just douse them in water, and put the out in the sun to dry. Now this will make your book twice as thick, and the pages really hard and leafy, but that’s how you get that smell . . . . You can take this seriously or not . . . it’s up to you.
Eltara 13/Dec/2006 at 07:17 AM
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Hey don’t forget me!*joins club of book smellers* Mmm, books have such neat scents, it’s neat to distinguish one book from another by their smell.  Douse you book in water just for a smell???!!! I’m dumbfounded!!! How could anyone do that??!!! Yep, that’s coming from me the girl who freaks if you put a crease or dog ear pages in any of her books. I never lend out my books cause they always come back bent. Ok, I know that’s a little extreme but it’s a major pet peeve of mine.

Turambar_77: I have a best friend a lot like your acquaintance, except she’s the opposite, she reads all of the heavy Charles Dickens and Jane Austen classics and can’t understand how I can read a common fantasy book like LOTR!!!! Common fantasy!!! The only reason why she calls it that she told me once, when she found me deep in LOTR, again...was because when she read it she couldn’t stand the "mindless battle scenes" and that battle scenes are always found in your run of the mill fantasy!!! She’s the one who reads old classics that go on for pages about insignificant things( not that I dislike classics or anything) but.... At least she is understanding about my obsession since she has her own, unlike most people at my school who can’t believe I’d turn down t.v for a good book....and on top of that my school is ranked in the top three most academicly smart school’s in my province! So how is it that more than half the people can’t stand learning, studying, or reading!!!?? Maybe it’s just me and my bookish group of friends that keep the average up!.....    

 

Nieliqui Vaneyar 13/Dec/2006 at 09:29 AM
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Hi, Eltara!  I would like to welcome you to the Plaza and to Book Lore!  I am always thrilled when one of the first forums new people come to is our little The Books Forum.  There’s lots here to discuss and lots and lots of books by Tolkien and about Tolkien that can be read - tho I don’t think it’s quite up to 2800, so Morgil must have a few () books to fill in those odd moments he’s not reading Tolkien!

Anyway, please do feel free to join in any of our discussions and even join us as we read through The Hobbit, chapter by chapter, and have fun whatever you do!

merrypip03 13/Dec/2006 at 10:18 AM
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I am so jealous of those of you who have personal libraries of such calibur. I only have enough to fill a bookshelf. But I am determined that once I have kids, they are getting their own personal libraries with as many books as I can afford to get for them.
Nenarye 14/Dec/2006 at 11:57 AM
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Nieliqui - The lore foras’ are the best!

Eltara - I would like to join Nieliqui in welcoming you to the plaza! It really is great that you are making your first few posts here in the lore foras’.

merrypip - My parents have ammased me quite a few bookshelfs! They love to read, so they really support my love for reading, it’s pretty nice really.
Battlehamster 14/Dec/2006 at 05:31 PM
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I think I might be too afraid for the safety of my books to soak them in water.  Wouldn’t it make the ink run?  Although none of my books are in pristine condition.  A few days in my blackhole of a backpack and they’ll never be the same again, assuming they ever come out.  I discovered a copy of Finnegan’s Wake amid the clutter of the bottom of my backpack last year.

Back to the original topic, yesterday I was just riding the bus from my high school to college and I was sitting their reading TH and I swear, half of the people that walked by me gave me this weird "You’re reading that?" look.

Sorry about the double post.

Nenarye 14/Dec/2006 at 07:22 PM
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Battlehamster - Perhaps not soaking them in water, but spraying them, or leaving them in a humid and moist basement. Though the way my FotR got the smell and feel it has, is because it was taken on a river trip, and while not completly soaked, it was pretty wet. And no, the ink did not run.
Morgil 15/Dec/2006 at 02:25 AM
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No! No! No soakie bookies in water!  Must not abuse treasures like that! Give Morgil very bad headache just talking about it.
Laielinwen 15/Dec/2006 at 04:55 AM
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I ditto Morgil! Never soak a book in water! Gah!
Nenarye 15/Dec/2006 at 07:24 AM
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Humid basement?
Eltara 16/Dec/2006 at 10:40 AM
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How can anyone talk of putting water near a book!!!!! I say no premature aging for books allowed.  Thanks for the loverly welcome( I meant to spell it that way, I just watched My Fair Lady by the urging of my movie geek friend last night) 

Anyways to get back on topic I was on my bus after school reading the Sil, my favorite of Tolkien’s books and I missed my stop by 4 stops!!! hehe...and our bus driver knows us all really well but he’s never asked me what I’m reading up until yesterday due to the fact that I have never missed my stop enough to be the only person left on the bus!!!

When I finally came up out of my engrossment in the Sil I told him what I was reading and he completely lit up and I subsiquently discovered he was a huge Tolkien fan and read the books four times a year. What luck!!! I also had a huge conversation with him about all Tolkien related things. Thus spending about fifteen minutes extra on the bus and then I was about to get off to walk half and hour back home when my bus driver said he’d drive me closer to my house so that it wouldn’t take so long to get home. He’s the first nice bus driver that I have ever had in all my experience of bus drivers and he’s a Tolkien fan!! I have a feeling that come school again on Monday that people at my school will regard me with even more caution!!!  

nEUroTIc 20/Dec/2006 at 06:34 AM
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haha, funny incident Eltara..well seems like you encountered a rare case..my friends are like dead against the books as well as the movie...without even reading a line they say..omg its so boring ..its sooooo long..i cant read it and stuff like that..i say at least give it a try..and they give me that nerdy geeky look..

getting caught reading tolkien anywhere i wouldnt give a damn , but getting caught reading tolkien by friends is like quite embarassing..they are like born with the mentality that lotr is a bad book

Battlehamster 20/Dec/2006 at 07:48 AM
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Lucky,Eltara. None of my bus drivers have been Tolkien fans, just psycho guys who would get us in an accident every few weeks. And this gy who’d swerve so he could run over ducklings in the spring.
I remember at my old school I was known for being a reader, so people would come and ask me what I recommended. After a while they learned to say "Is there anything you recommend, other that LotR?"
Endril 20/Dec/2006 at 09:03 AM
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Eltara: great story.

Neurotic: you shouldn’t be embarassed because you read Tolkien. And I know that people around, a great number haven’t read the books but they sure know the movies. That’s good in a way too cuz at least they know something.

Nenarye 20/Dec/2006 at 01:05 PM
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Eltara - I dido all the things people have said about your story...awsome. My bio teacher, who just so happens to be one of the coolest people I have ever met, is also a big fan of LotR...
Eltara 20/Dec/2006 at 05:18 PM
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It was such a random and funny incident, I have ingrossing conversations with him now and people think I’m so weird but hey I started out that way and I tend to think everyone else is weird for not liking Tolkien so we’re even. I can so relate with you Neurotic my friends don’t understand how I can read something like that though  at least the’re understanding and actually try listen when I get into one of my Tolkien moods. I’m currently trying to convert one of my friends to the world of Tolkien by reading it to her at our lunch break and explaining things as I go along. I’ve gotten to Many Meetings in FOTR so far and she is actually liking it better because I’m explain things. I wish she could have read it and liked it herself but getting her into Tolkien any way is good for me.

Battlehammer: People used to ask me too but I always recommended LOTR and then stared them down and most likely scared them if they dismissed LOTR as a nerd thing befcause they never came up to me again. People rarely ask me any more...  

Morgil 21/Dec/2006 at 02:36 AM
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Eltara..."...stared them down and most likely scared them..."? Way to go!   

My seventh grade social studies teacher used to have us read out of a book every day. The title was our choice, but it was supposed to be a history book or one dealing with contemporary issues. A friend and I used that reading time to enjoy Tolkien instead. We read a lot of history anyway and figured we watched enough news to stay up on current events. When the teacher discovered us one day, she disagreed and said that "those books we were reading weren’t good enough stimuli for the mind". Stupid teacher.     

Battlehamster 21/Dec/2006 at 12:04 PM
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But, LotR is a history book. I was even worse than you, though. When I got bored in class I would take my copy of whatever Tolkien book I was reading at that oint and start reading. I didn’t even bother to hide that I was reading Tolkien instead of paying attention. I really only did it in the really easy classes, so I still did OK. Amazingly, none of my teachers ever told me to stop, even when I was sitting in the front row.
Arvellas 21/Dec/2006 at 01:05 PM
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I was just reading a book in which one of the characters did not have any bookshelves in her house--and it was a huge house that would have had plenty of room for shelves.  She said shelves collected too much dust.  All I can say is that I wasn’t really that sad when that character got killed off.

Of course LOTR is history--the history of Arda!  It is just as complex and stimulating as any history book I’ve ever read, maybe even moreso.  That teacher probably never even read LOTR, in which case they’re breaking a little policy I have about not critisizing what you don’t understand.  Seriously, though if people would actually stop critisizing what they don’t understand, we might not have the whole negative-aura around books, and people might actually start reading!

Eltara 22/Dec/2006 at 06:47 AM
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Morgil: "those books we were reading weren’t good enough stimuli for the mind". Yes, a very stupid teacher!

Arvellas: No bookshelves!!!???? I think if I were her I would have died before the author intended due to lack of books!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m having such a strange closet-Tolkien-fan-discovering-week aka if the huge poster of JRR Tolkien and a quote of his( like Einstien as a story teller) along with only posters related to LOTR covering every square meter of an English teachers classroom that I actually somehow never even knew exsisted to of course the bus driver and just this morning I heard a good band geek friend of mine (yes I’m a band geek), racing down the hallway with another crazy band geek guy chanting "The road goes ever on and on..." Then later in my Chem class he recited the whole first chapter out loud while we were supposed to be working amd thus annoying numerous people(not me of course! )! I think the Christmas season is just making everyone crazy and making them come to the surface with their obsessions and such.      

Battlehamster 22/Dec/2006 at 07:48 AM
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I want to find a huge poster with a picture of Tolkien and a quote to put up in my advisory at school. Then we’d have something to balance out all the movie posters hanging on the walls. Not tomention covering the walls. I’ve a friend who calls the color scheme "autumn puke."
I’ve noticed the craziness, too. Mostly in myself. Upon discovering that we were almost to winter break, I (without thinking) shouted "Auta i lome!" It probably says a lot about my school that i didn’t even get a strange look from anyone.
nEUroTIc 23/Dec/2006 at 06:25 PM
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welll..we are  all crazy about tolkien..and Legolas..i am not embarassed when i read tolkin but still friends are friends and are worth keeping and having..one cant live his life with a book always...so what i meant was that even we shouldnt be crazy enough to go reading tolkien every single place on earth..
Morgil 23/Dec/2006 at 07:42 PM
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Battlehamster...While it is not of Tolkien himself, there is a poster that sums up Tolkien’s works rather nicely. I have a copy of standard cinema case size. It is from the Ralph Bakshi animated version of LotR. It has the following passage on it in verse form.

One man cast a lingering spell of awe and wonder, of magical innocence overcoming evil, of simple courage conquering fear - he gave us the legend that will live forever in our minds. J.R.R. Tolkien triumphed with the perception that a single dream is more powerful than a thousand realities. Come to Middle-earth, a world beyond the furthest reaches of your imagination.

The images on the poster are interpretative illustrations of Gandalf, Frodo, and Sam. So they aren’t likely to be confused with the vastly more popular (Gag! Choke! Vomit!) Peter "The Butcher of Middle-earth" Jackson films.

Battlehamster 23/Dec/2006 at 08:44 PM
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I don’t know, I think the Bakshi version is even worse than the PJ movies.  Although I generally don’t like animated movies as much as live-action ones.  And neither, of course, are as good as the story as pictured in my mind.  That is an awesome quote, though.

I’m getting my September 22/ January 3 shirt ready, speaking of out-of the-closet Tolkienism.

LotrLJ 25/Dec/2006 at 09:34 AM
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When I read LotR 3 times in a row all my friends kept saying I was crazy... "How can you read such a large book?"- I tried explaining that that’s the whole fun and besides, I would read it if it was 3,000,000,000,000 (what is this number? ) pages because I love it so much... but it was no use...

well...It’s their lose!!!!

Arvellas 25/Dec/2006 at 07:42 PM
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LotrLJ-I believe that three trillion.  Even at just a little shy of 1200 pages, nothing deters me from reading it all the way through as often as I can, so I can relate.  And of course, welcome to the Plaza and to the Lore Fora!

Number of times I have been caught watching the movies: 0
Number of times I have been caught reading the books: more than I can count.
Knowing that Peter Jackson is stupid: priceless.

Battlehamster 26/Dec/2006 at 02:16 PM
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Arvellas- I second that!  I’m always irritated because my family/most of my friends don’t understand the difference between being a book fan/Tolkien purist and being a fan of those horrible movies.  The only time I watch them is when I want to be able to specify what they screwed up.

Morgil 27/Dec/2006 at 01:39 AM
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I heard a sad story this evening, actually last night, now. Some friends were over and we were discussing books while at Borders. One of them had worked for a local media distribution company. One of her coworkers at that company had once complained about a series of books, saying she hated them because her child badgered her until she bought him the latest in the series. Our friend told her she should be grateful her child liked reading instead of staying in front of the tv or a videogame console all the time. Her coworker didn’t understand. I feel sorry for any book loving child with moronic parents like that.  
Endril 27/Dec/2006 at 09:03 AM
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I also don’t like stupid people that are amazed when you tell them that you buy books and they ask: "Who told you to do that?". It’s one of the most stupid situations I was into and they are also amazed by the price of the books. That’s happening to often I think that’s why my passion for Tolkien is just for me and I express it free only on the Plaza.
Eltara 28/Dec/2006 at 02:20 PM
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I do not understand how parents could just leave their kids in front of the t.v or computerand never get them reading!!!!???? Especially if their kids are book lovers!!!!

What is with people and the love of bashing things they hate?? Perfect example, the LOTR movies *stares at bashers above*, not that I’m sayings is bad to have an opinion but bashing things without looking at both sides is just wrong. I finally got the EE editions( it took like six years get them finally!) and watched the behid the scenes stuff and the magnitude they spent on detail is stunning, I mean it’s never been done in movie history before and they tried to stay as close to the wonderful books as possible, they were trying to make Middle Earth feel like it was ancient history, which Tolkien was wanting for England (PJ and others even made speechs about that) but remember this, they also had a time and budget limit for the movies. They also were not making a documentary in which they could follow the books sentence by sentence and make each movie hours and hours long. Take the Arwen intrusion, I don’t like the fact that they shoved Glorfindel out, and even the twins in ROTK (whom I love to bits) or when they killed Haldir (*scowls* how could they??!!)  but unfortuneley they had to change things and keep the plot moving for people who maybe haven’t read the books they had to dump the twins   and took the Arwen, Aragorn stuff from the appendices and added her in more to explain other parts. It’s so that people who are Tolkien obsessies could understand what was going on because sadly not everyone loves Tolkien. Just think how hard it was to even attempt to measure up to the greatness of Tolkien that no words can truly give justice to. Anywasy sorry about going on a bit of a rant there but being an equal lover of the books and movies I find it annoying when people bash without looking at the full picture....

Endril 30/Dec/2006 at 09:38 AM
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Eltara:This is the most convincing movie defending speach I ever saw before. I never thought that PJ had even cared about the books or that he even read them to much. It would be interesting to find out more of what he was thinking while he made the movies and also why he changed what he changed. Do you think you can write the opinion about what he thought when making the movies, from the material that you saw, sure.