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Serie 04/Oct/2006 at 02:11 PM
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I would like to know as many things as possible about Mirkwood.Do you have any info?I have searched but I haven’t find sth special.I would like to know about those who live there, except the Elves, I know about them.You would be very helpfull if you could tell me any sites that have enough information.Thanks!
Alcarináro 04/Oct/2006 at 02:34 PM
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No really lives there except for the Elves, with a few exceptions. Sauron had a hold there during all the time it was called Mirkwood (as it was given that name when his influence began in those woods, and taken away when he was ultimately defeated at the end of the Third Age) in his fortress Dol Guldur, which was inhabited by Orcs, Trolls, occasionally a Nazgul, and was where Sauron reformed his body. As well, Radagast the Brown Wizard lived in southern Mirkwood at Rhosgobel.
geordie 04/Oct/2006 at 02:40 PM
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There were Men in Mirkwood. Relatives of the Beornings, I seem to remember. We see their settlements in the map of The Hobbit, and they are mentioned in LotR - Gandalf tells of how Gollum’s presence in Mirkwood gives rise to   tales of terror among the woodmen about ’a ghost who drank blood’, climbing up to find nests; and crawling through windows to find cradles.

*shudder* I think it’s in The Shadow of the Past
ranger of doom 04/Oct/2006 at 03:30 PM
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in mirkwood it was where bilbo passed through in the hobbit it is home to spiders and an elf kindom where legolas is the prince
Arvellas 04/Oct/2006 at 07:26 PM
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Mirkwood was originally called Greenwood, until Sauron gota hold on it and the shadow began to fall upon it, so it was re-named Mirkwood because of the evil that was influencing it, turning it dark.  Because of this, many things found in the forest are evil or unwholesome; in The Hobbit, Bilbo and the Dwarves ran into the giant spiders who tried to eat them, had to cross a river whose waters made people fall asleep, and when they shot a squirrel and tried to eat it, it tasted disgusting.  Beorn also warned them not to drink any water they found in the forest, for it was unwholesome.
Halluvion 07/Oct/2006 at 07:14 PM
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Mikwood is inhabbited by Silvan Elves and they speak a dialect of Sindarin Elvish 
Arvellas 07/Oct/2006 at 08:48 PM
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Another point about the Elves of Mirkwood is that they are very distrustful of outsiders; when Bilbo and the Dwarves try to find them in the woods, the Elves keep running away, and when they finally catch up to them, the Dwarves are taken prisoner and accused of trying to disturb the Elves.  The elves of Mirkwood also live in a cave; very unusual for Elves, who much prefer to be out under the lights of the sky, and sharply contrasting with the merry and welcoming Elves of Rivendell; this could be the Mirkwood Elves’ reaction to the growing shadow, and also because they are the only groupf of Elves that did not go to Faery.
Rissien 08/Oct/2006 at 01:26 AM
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Originally known as Greenwood, its name had been changed when the reign of Sauron spread and his fortress of Dol Gudor was made. From there his evil spread into the north untill Gandalf suceeded in his quest with the White Council to attack. It was only because Sauron had been searching the Anduin river that Saruman finally relented in this council. The elves under the king Thranduil, father of Legolas lived near the edge of the forest. They are the only known sentient inhabitents of the forest. Other than them are ancient spiders, children of Ungoliant and kin to Shelob the Great.
great earendil 08/Oct/2006 at 09:51 AM
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Here is what The encyclopedia of arda says about MIrkwood:
"A name of Greenwood the Great, the mighty forest that lay in the lands east of the River Anduin. The name ’Mirkwood’ was used of this forest after Sauron, in his guise as the Necromancer, took up his abode at Dol Guldur in its southern regions."
Administrators, please don’t kill me. I recognize that this work is of "THe encyclopedia of arda" and not mine
Laielinwen 08/Oct/2006 at 11:31 AM
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It’s name meant literally, ’Forest of Great Fear". That was a name given during the third age to what was considered the mightest surviving forest of western-Middle-earth, formerly known (as said above) as Greenwood the Great. The renaming occurred at the end of the first millennium, after the raising of the evil tower of Dol Guldur.. which then cast a shadow over the forest.

Most popular is the tale of Bilbo going through it I think. I live in Southern Germany and when I travel just a little bit south I’m in the Black Forest. To me I always imagine I’m going through Mirkwood... I think anyone in the car with me hears me think it aloud each time too. Rather excites me it does. haha I imagine spiders out there and always hope to see a fleeting light that means there are elves around!

Arvellas 08/Oct/2006 at 05:50 PM
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Laie-It makes me think of when I used to live in the Old-growth Redwood forests...it’s a known fact that there a some pretty big tarantulas there; one of them got into my bedroom!  Though overall, that place makes me think of Fangorn more than it does Mirkwood.  It is pretty easy, however, to imagine Elves treading lightly along the deer-trails, making no sound on a three-foot layer of fallen needles.  There’s just something about forests that lends them to fantasy.
elendil elessar 09/Oct/2006 at 07:29 AM
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I was just thinking about the Elves of Thranduil, could some of them be of Lenwe people. They left the Teleri on the Eastern side of Anduin if I remember correctly and even if his son Denethor went later to Beleriand with some of his folk they were still a numerous people. Anyone with answers?
Qtpie 16/Oct/2006 at 09:46 AM
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The Elves who followed Lenwe’s leadership were the Nandor. They were of Telerin descent and journeyed from Cuiviénen to Valinor. But a group of Teleri under Lenwe turned away and actually went south along the Anduin. The Denethor you mention was a son of Lenwe and they crossed the Ered Luin into Lindon. They were now known as the Laiquendi and the Silvan Elves of Mirkwood can be descended or part of Lenwe’s people.
Thefourfingers 16/Oct/2006 at 08:10 PM
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After the fall of Sauron, Mirkwood was renamed Eryn Lasgalen or The Wood of Greenleaves.  The land north of the mountains was added to Thranduils realm.  Celeborn took everything south of the Narrows and called it East Lorien.  Everything else was given to the woodmen and the Beornings.
Durin of Moria 16/Oct/2006 at 11:01 PM
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You can see the hobbit.

Earendin 21/Oct/2006 at 01:00 AM
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Mirkwood was also safe after the fall of The Dark Lord and of his Minions I think with nothing evil to haunt it.Thefourfingers has made the point that it was named Eryn Lasgalen or The Wood of Greenleaves since the princes (e.g Legolas Greenleaf) and all the family of the King were named Greenleaves.

Endril 21/Oct/2006 at 04:49 AM
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The attack on Dol Guldur, the great fortrece was a great did of the elves inhabiting Mirkwood. And Earendin is right, the woods were safe after the banishing of the Nazgul and his minnions from the land of the elves. Did Trranduil participated in that battle?
Arvellas 21/Oct/2006 at 08:00 PM
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Earendin-Actually, what with the little knowledge I have of Sindarin, the name "Greenleaf" is just the translation of the name "Legolas," which makes me hesitant to think of it as a surname, because if it was, Legolas’ full name would essentially be "Greenleaf Greenleaf," which is a bit redundant.  I could be wrong about that, though.
Oin 23/Oct/2006 at 07:52 PM
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Legolas: Thranduil did not take part in the destruction of Dol Guldur - only the forces of Lothlorien did. Thranduil was busy fighting orcs in the northern part of the forest at the same time - the forces of Lorien and Northern Mirkwood would only meet after Dol Guldur was destroyed.

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eldarommen 23/Oct/2006 at 10:55 PM
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Elders, i have a question. In the book it is mentioned, that when Frodo was in Lothlorien, he once saw the wooden roof of Dol-Guldur, the enemy’s fortress. He saw it "across the river". I checked the map - It is pretty long distance, or i misunderstand something? Share your thoughts, please. Oh! Maybe it’s all because of Frodo’s temporary ability to see and forsee what is away by time and distance?
Endril 24/Oct/2006 at 09:45 AM
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eldarommen: Could you please give us a quote that will clarify the thing. Not all of the members know that part I think but I would like to see the quote so I could answer your question better. Me, I never foud the part where Frodo saw Dol Guldur.And it was a large distance between Lorien and DG I think.
Tuna 24/Oct/2006 at 10:14 AM
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Here’s the quote you’re referring to.

Beyond the river the land appeared flat and empty, formless and vague, until far away it rose again like a wall, dark and drear, the sun that lay of Lothlorien had no power to enlighten the shadow of that distant height. ~Lothlorien, FOTR, my bold emphasis

IIRC, Tolkien says in Unfinished Tales that Dol Guldur is the highest point in Southern Mirkwood forest, and so it would naturally stick out above the surrounding plains (just as coming upon a mountain/mountain range from a distance, you can see the mountains from many miles away).

eldarommen 27/Oct/2006 at 08:23 AM
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Hmm.. thank you, Tuna . Still it’s a huge distance, but... at least now i have explanation. Well, anyways, i have much more questions about Mirkwood! Newbie, you know... (smiles shyly) Look, after the War of the Ring, when Galadriel went West, Celeborn moved to Mirkwood with his folks. Mirkwood was called Eryn-Lasgalen at that point. Question: I realize that absense of Galadriel turned Lorien to something different, but still, what can forse (or tempt) Lorien elves to leave their native forest and to set to Mirkwood? Any suggestions? I have none, must admit...
ellemir 27/Oct/2006 at 12:50 PM
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Well, maybe he could not just live in Lotlorien and see it slowly dying and fading... Anyway i do not also understand what was the difference... Anyway< elven magic has disappeared, so it was the same in mirkwood and lorien at that time. Don’t really understand Celeborn’s decision.
Qtpie 27/Oct/2006 at 08:32 PM
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Welcome ellemir! There are actually some main differences between Mirkwood and Lorien. When Galadriel and Celebron dwelled in Lorien, the forests of Lorien were protected and preserved by Galadriel’s power through her ring Nenya. However, when she left Lorien started to decay and no longer enjoyed the preservation of the Ring. Mirkwood was never preserved by any Ring and within Mirkwood was Dol Guldur, and the forests of Mirkwood were plagued by evil creatures of sorts. THe Elves of Mirkwood were forced to move farther up to distance themselves from the evil of Dol Guldur. There was never any magic that was in Lorien as there were in Mirkwood. I never knew that Celeborn moved to Mirkwood though....I thought he only went to Imladris where he dwelled with Elrond’s sons and then followed Galadriel West.
eldarommen 28/Oct/2006 at 02:37 AM
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Táragolloion yes, that sounds quite reasonable... What i wanted to ask is - was Mirkwood still better then Lorien? (Even with no power of the Ring dwelling in it) I don’t really understand it... And concerning Celeborn’s "bio" Yes, i thought for a long time that he left to Imladris after Galadriel departed West. But recently i have read in one of the appendixes in LOTR book that he had gathered the rest of his people and moved to Southern Mirkwood - the place cleaned from Dol-Guldur’s dark sorcery. You know, this is constant problem with this appendixes - you never now which one is trustful, or by whom was it written - JRRT, CT or by truck-driver next door...
Qtpie 28/Oct/2006 at 11:46 AM
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eldarommen: Well your question if Mirkwood is better than Lorien is just a matter of opinion. I think Mirkwood would’ve been more dangerous because even after Sauron left Dol Guldur there was still evil in those parts. The forest was quite dangerous, whereas Lorien wasn’t as dangerous in my opinion. There wasn’t really much danger in the woods of Lorien, but that may be different after the power of the Ring passed. That is interesting, I will have to look up the Appendixes later.
Endril 29/Oct/2006 at 03:16 AM
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Tarago: I agree with you that Lorien was a safer place. The kingdom of Galadriel and Celeborn was protected by guards and scouts. Mirkwood was probably defended too but there were loads of evil creatures in those woods. And also it was infested with those spiders. 
Oin 14/Nov/2006 at 05:26 PM
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eldarommen: Celeborn didn’t move to East Lorien (formerly the southern part of Mirkwood below the narrows of the forest), and neither did any large amount of his people. All the Appendix said was that he claimed it for the kingdom of Lorien. In fact, sometime after Galadriel’s departure and before Merry and Pippin went to Gondor in their old age, Celeborn moved to Rivendell, and the decline of Lorien was almost complete at that point.