Imrahil and Edrahil

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Carandol Eredion 12/Oct/2006 at 12:53 PM
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We are told (I believe it is in the LotR Appendices) that Imrahil is a name of Adnaic origin. However, in the Silmarillion Edrahil is the name of one of the elves of Nargothrond who remained loyal to Finrod Felagund. Of course, this cannot be an Adnaic name. So do we have a mere coincidence here, in that the names are so similar, or is it that Imrahil can in fact be explained in Quenya or Sindarin?
Celebind Eryniel 12/Oct/2006 at 05:37 PM
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Well, I know that the name Orthanc meant one thing in Sindarin and another thing in either Adunaic or Rohirric (can’t recall which one).  So just because the names Imrahil and Edrahil sound similar doesn’t mean they come from the exact same language.
Magradhaid 12/Oct/2006 at 09:06 PM
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Imrahil is definitely a Nmenrean-style Adnaic; if only Lalaith’s Mannish etymologies were up and running, I might be able to wager as to what it means! My guess from memory is that -hil has to to with KHIL "heir, follower" and identifies Imrahil as the heir of Imrazr. Another guess is that -hil and -phel are used like -ion and -iel in Eldarin.

People have tried to label Edrahil as "March Warden", but I do not know if the elements *et-reg-khil would assimilate in the aforementioned manner in Sindarin.

Aranhael 13/Oct/2006 at 07:28 AM
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>Another guess is that -hil and -phel are used like -ion and -iel in Eldarin.

Well, Zimraphel actually occurs as Zimrahil, corrected only once; and Christopher Tolkien changed it in other texts, too (PM:155).


But Imrahil and Edrahil is clearly a case where the sound of a name preceded its etymology (which wasn’t really important). For example, Felagund is the ’lord of the caves’ by the time of ’The Etymologies’ (KUND-) and after, but later his name derives from Khuzdl felakgundu ’cave-hewer’ (PM:352).
Imrahil and Edrahil could be phonetically both Sindarin and Adunaic, but obviously not completely interpretable in either of the languages; and not translated - as far as I know.
Lady Aikri 17/Oct/2006 at 06:37 AM
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I think it is mere a coincidence than a linguistic essence of both names. Imrahil is indeed from Numenorean origins. While Edrahil is derived from Sindarin. Both names carry no translations, that they would mean something in English. Like Aranhael says, a type of etymology.