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Jimmy Evans 13/Oct/2006 at 05:13 PM
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How much do you think it would cost to build a hobbit hole.  i am going to post the sketch of it and tell me how much you think this would cost.  Becuase my friend and I are seriouslly thinking about doing this. 

Jimmy Evans 13/Oct/2006 at 05:18 PM
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it wont work please just click on this link and then post, please.  thank you. 

and i put this in Locations becuase it has to do with it.

heres the link: http://http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=115146961&imageID=1285031498

thanks

 

Jimmy Evans 13/Oct/2006 at 05:19 PM
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okay i am terribly sorry about this the link wont  work i accidentally have "http" twice here it is again:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=115146961&imageID=1285031498

Endril 15/Oct/2006 at 10:21 AM
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I looked at your relative sketch. Ok, you wanna build it, but do you have wwhere to build it. And you want to make it underground or on the surface, still keeping the small dimensions. You first must find the suited land for that than you should start digging, and I thin you will not do it alone and with your hands. Than the building must not collapse if it’s underground. You must build somekind of underground structure for that to happen. I think that can cost some money.
Arvellas 15/Oct/2006 at 05:54 PM
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Yep, as my friend Legolas pointed out, you’ll have to structure it so that is doesn’t fall in.  That will require some research in architechture and engineering, which could require hiring a professional.  You’ll also have to find some land that is large enough and where the soil is neither too hard nor too soft.  All in all...I don’t know how much it would cost, but would think it would be quite a bit.
Durin of Moria 16/Oct/2006 at 11:04 PM
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I think it wouldn’t cost much. Almost every hobbit has a hobbit hole.
Lady Aikári 17/Oct/2006 at 02:51 AM
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How much such a house/hole cost, well I have no really an idea upon the currency of money in the Shire. But I guess it would cost some dices at least. It’s a fine design you drew on paper. It is spacious enough to live in I think, only a good bedroom/private room is missing.
Endril 17/Oct/2006 at 05:34 AM
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You would have to clear the next thing: where do you meen how much it costs, in our times or in the time of LOTR? It seems that people have a different point of wiew here. Durin: Today we all have a house, like hibbits had hobbit holes, that doesn’t meen a house has a low price.
Túrin 17/Oct/2006 at 05:53 AM
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Actually, Durin of Moria, most Hobbits did not live in Hobbit-holes. If you look in the prolouge of LotR, you’ll find that it was only the richest and the poorest who still did - the poor having simple holes in the ground, and the rich having elaborate mansions (e.g. the Great Smials).

Arvellas 18/Oct/2006 at 08:02 PM
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Yep, Turin is right about that.  Remember it says that Farmer Maggot lived in a brick house, and when Frodo pretended to be retiring to Buckland, he bought a house there, as a couple of examples.  It was just an example of the great wealth of the Bagginses that Bag End was a fine hole.
Kalidor the elf 19/Oct/2006 at 11:35 AM
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Just like ulmo said. A hobbit hole could be anywhere from free to to thousands, just deppending on weater you just dug it out or you acctully built a way nice place inside the hole
Arvellas 21/Oct/2006 at 09:10 PM
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Kalidor te elf-Yes, the whole could be made very cheaply, although that would still require some effor, what with the digging.  But without the support of an internal structure, it would run the risk of falling in.  There is still the cost of the land for the hole to be dug into, aside from building costs.
Nírithil 21/Oct/2006 at 09:17 PM
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I would think it would be rather expensive. Like what everyone else has said, you would have to find some way that it doesn’t cave in. You would have to have a bit of land to build in on (or build it in, I guess), and you would have to build it into the side of a hill. Unless you build it first then ’build’ a hill over it. Other than that, it sounds like a great idea. If you decide to do it, good luck!
briscuz 22/Oct/2006 at 07:55 PM
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I know it has been done before, an underground house that is...but it’s usually a bomb shelter or a mansion. I think it would be expensive but I think you face worse problems than that.  Good luck finding a community with zoning laws that would allow you to construct the house...and there’s the fact that you’d probably have to hire a professional company to come in and do the structural set up...I think you’d better have plenty of dough to try and tackle a project like that.   I will say, however, that it is a nifty idea.  Good luck with that.
Endril 22/Oct/2006 at 09:31 PM
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If  you don’t make an internal structure to that hole you would face the risk of your house to cave in. So you must do more than digging the place. Even the diging part is hard, as after diging a part of the tunnel you have to sustain that part, like ina mining operation.
Nieliqui Vaneyar 23/Oct/2006 at 08:54 AM
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I knew a farming family that lived in what I think is called a ’berm’ house.  Also something similar was a church out in the country that I passed by several tims.  Basically they were ’built’ into hills.  Sort of built into the land and then the land was built up around the back side and over the back half.  Supposedly the heating and cooling bills are cheaper because of all the insulation and such, but I never asked them.

From the front they both just looked like regular buildings, you had to get around to the sides or back to realize they were built in.  I once chatted with some of family and they said about the only thing different was that at the back end of the house, it was a little strange because there were no windows and you had to have lights on, but other than that they didn’t mind it.

I do think the costs were not exhorbitant because the buildings were just normal.  Maybe a little more expensive because of having a lot of earth moved around.

Dis 23/Oct/2006 at 09:18 AM
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Building such a thing in the States is likely to be ghastly expensive -and involve miles of red tape. You have zoning laws to deal with, getting blueprints drawn up, getting approval to build, building permits, getting your plumbing and wiring inspected and approved -yada yada. Lots of hoops to jump through. Building two bathrooms inside a hill? That alone will be very, very expensive.

Do you have three doors on that or just two? I see what looks like a door to the living room but it’s not marked. To have a three entrance arrangement llike that you will likely have to make your own hill. Most counties require front and back egress.

Having no windows in part of the house would make me crazy. I gotta have some daylight shining in.

Jinniver Thynne 23/Oct/2006 at 03:22 PM
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There are quite a few ’underground’ and semi-underground homes in the UK. In Yorkshire there’s a well known house which was built into the side of a hillside - comes complete with indoor pool etc, and its worth around a million as far as I recall.

We also have homes built into cliff faces - they look like a normal house but the rear is usually dug out of the cliff (there’s at least one of these in Stony Middleton in Derbys.). There are a few of these in Wales too, including some pubs (must keep the beer cool). In Cornwall and the west country you’ll often find old cottages which are sunk low into the ground and built into grassy hillsides. We also have green rofed buildings, a growing (scuse the pun ) trend in cities, and you can see one at the Wildfowl Trust in Martin Mere, Lancs. These are all options for Hobbity dwellings wher an actual hole would be hard to achieve.

I fancy constructing a Smial Shed at some point. An ordinary shed with a round door and a grass roof, complete with bench outside for smoking.

If you were lucky enough to find a house in the UK with an old WWII Anderson Shelter half sunk into the lawn you could easily make this into a Hobbit hole - though of course it would be cramped for living in!

You can see this is also a mad idea that has crossed my mind too.

Stiffler Vaneyar 23/Oct/2006 at 04:46 PM
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All-in-all Jimmy Evans, this might be pretty darn tough and expensive. I actually had an idea to something similar once, though it had nothing to do with Hobbits. I tried it a bit...and then gave up as I realised that it would end up being a problem for many reasons, all of which have been listed by those above. Good idea, but you’d better have some cash or live in a country where they really could care less if you dug a big whole in the ground.
Ballin Ithílen 26/Oct/2006 at 06:32 PM
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You might want to look at the ads on the left hand side of the screen underneath all of the regular links. There is one titled, How to Build a Hobbit hole.

If it is not there just refresh a few times. It will pop up.

 

ucabednego 27/Oct/2006 at 07:20 PM
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Ok I thought when you posted this that it was going to be like a real sketch with dimensions and plans of how it was going to be. This is not enough to come up with a price for something. I am a construction contractor in real life and the cost of new construction for a one story house with no basement is around $85 per square foot with out land cost. For and underground structure like this you would need and extensive excavation and foundation making the cost much high around $120 per square foot to finish it. To put this in perspective a "hole" with a 6x8 foot bathrom, 2 10x12 bedrooms, a 12x15 livingroom and a 10x10 kitchen would cost around 68,000 plus the cost of the land. Thats a really really small home. Anyays good luck with everything.
nEUroTIc 01/Nov/2006 at 08:00 AM
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as dis pointed out..your place will reek and rot if you dont have windows or other means of getting sunlight in..maybe you dont realise but sunlight has great powers..also..making that on a hill..you are gonna die doing it first of all...plus the fact  that a hill could be one of the most dangerous places to build a house..now even if you have built that hobbit hole..your next expenditure would come from the interior designing of the house

im not discouraging you...but get a good architect and discuss your plans with him

Naith Liathant 01/Nov/2006 at 03:35 PM
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This has been done and there used to be a website showing off the end result.  The artificial hill was formed around the inner structure was insulated around the exterior construct to protect from the effects of the piled earth and the threats formed by water running through the soil. 

The land was purchased first, and the owners were going to develop it, wanted to do something special and decided on a real life Hobbit Hole.  It was done in the States but I forget where and I can’t find the site now so presumably its been taken down or they stopped paying the server costs.  It cost the couple that did it about a half million U.S dollars at the time.  They got a huge amount of publicity in their state, and Tolkien fans paid them lots of money to get married at their property on their estate.  Probably still do.
Ankala Teaweed 01/Nov/2006 at 03:49 PM
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Jimmy Evans, I recommend you look at the websites that exist for "rammed earth" construction to get an idea of what it might cost you. Some people build their own rammed earth houses in the u.s. Southwest. The biggest expense is the land where you want to put it. They can be easily solarized as well. And there are other alternative construction techniques out there that might work for you.

Elrond Half-Elven 06/Nov/2006 at 01:07 AM
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That sounds like a great idea to me

i think you should do it

Ygdrazill 06/Nov/2006 at 12:28 PM
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haha rather unusuall idea i have to admit  But no less fun for that, if you do have to money (and the time) then i do think you should  go all along with it. But me myself if more of heart like Dis. This wont come easy, and i sure wouldnt do it myself

But really creative idea. If you do start then ul have to promise me to post the progress here on the website.

TobiasFalco 07/Nov/2006 at 08:49 AM
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That has got to be one of the most interesting ideas I have ever seen to be honest. While I must say it is rather small for a house; I would guess this would be more for show purposes? But I think ucabednego summed it up for you. Don’t expect to invest any less than $70,000 (US) into such a project. However if it is for show purposes you could try to come up with a business plan and get some investors behind you or a small business loan and then work on making some money off of your hobbit hole.