Are there any websites with Middle Earth maps?

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Silima Vanya 18/Oct/2006 at 08:08 PM
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I am looking for good printable maps. Maybe there are some on this site, but I couldn’t find them yet.
Durin of Moria 18/Oct/2006 at 09:10 PM
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Here is one------ http://www.taivaansusi.net/roolipelit/lindefirion/maps.html
Endril 18/Oct/2006 at 09:18 PM
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Silima: There are sites with maps, fortunately most of them of low size and you have to buy them to be larger. It is not quite good to give links to those sites or to post maps from there neither, It is better to search for another way to find a map. Talk to someone arround here, maybe you’ll be lucky.
Alcarináro 18/Oct/2006 at 10:58 PM
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I would like to note, for the record, that every single map on that page which Durin of Moria has directed us to is, in fact, nonsense. Most of the parts of all of the maps found there are fabricated.

If you want legal accurate maps, buy the books that they are found in.
If you want illegal accurate maps (i.e. essentially all those found on the internet), you can’t get them or the way to them here.
Lady Aikári 19/Oct/2006 at 10:43 AM
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Finding decent maps is a difficult task, even online. As Elenhir suggests, fall back on the books. They are the best ones around and a few decent maps are found here on the plaza, in different kingdoms. Perhaps also a thought to look after.
Durin of Moria 20/Oct/2006 at 04:12 AM
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Although some maps may look very great, showing Ruhn and Harad, do not trust them. They are not created by Tolkien himself and thus not reliable.
Saranna 20/Oct/2006 at 04:33 AM
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Karen Fonstad’s Atlas of Middle Earth and Barbara Strachey’s Journeys of Frodo are the best I know.  Of course, you could also click the HUGE link at the top of this Forum . . .
Endril 21/Oct/2006 at 04:59 AM
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Saranna: I have a map too and I would like to know if it is accurate or not as I’m always looking at it when I want to find something. How can I show it to you because I know it can’t be posted here probably? Should I host it on Photobucket and than place it here? It’s quite large though.
Arvellas 21/Oct/2006 at 08:19 PM
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There is also at least one clickable map in the Plaza Library; there might be more, but I haven’t been through the whole library.  There is a map called Project Imladris in the Kingdom pages of Rivendell, but some parts of it (like the locations of the Bards and Writers Guild, etc.) are obviously fabrications.  Some of the nicer editions of the books have beautiful fold-out maps, and those are the ones to be relied on.  Straight from Tolkien=the best source.
Saranna 22/Oct/2006 at 04:20 AM
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Legolas, I am not very technically minded - why not go to the Plaza Library, and ask the librarians for a way they could check out that map for you?
Jinniver Thynne 22/Oct/2006 at 10:24 AM
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OK, correct me if I’m wrong, but I beleive Christopher Tolkien keeps a fairly tight reign on reproductions of the maps from the books, hence why they are nigh on impossible to find online. But if anyone really would like one, once you have a copy of the books, there is nothing (surely?) to stop you going to a good photocopier and getting a large copy done (A2 or A3 size). Might be fiddly, but would also be worth it. I think it was Brian Sibley who also issued Maps of Middle-earth, which is a very nice set of fold-out maps.
geordie 22/Oct/2006 at 12:09 PM
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Jinniver - quite right on both counts. CT [well, the Tolkien Estate, who own the copyright] do keep a close rein on the reproduction of Tolkien material, including the maps; both as their right _and as their duty to the wishes of JRR Tolkien_. [as expressed in his will]. So, printouts of on-line maps are out.

But Jinniver is also correct in that Brian Sibley has brought out some lovely maps of M-e; re-drawn by [cover your eyes, Elenhir, and capn’ Bingo - John Howe. [I like ’em].   

Once available as ’standard’ maps, they are now available in book form - with the maps folding out. Very nice they are too, and perfectly legal.
Atlus 22/Oct/2006 at 01:43 PM
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Thanks for this information, I have actually been wondering where I could get infomation on maps as well. ive scoured the interent and found naught, so for this I thank you. In other words I guess Ill just buy some nice versions of the books and hope they have all I want. I still havnt baught any version of the book.s I read them once long ago and fell in love. I constantly am reminded and told of information here and in the kingdoms. I look up some stuff and learn but mostly I dont have as great of knowledge as most people becuase I dont have the recources. I do however have a job now and I certainly wish to but these great items of insatiable power. I am ofcaorse talking about the books here not any rings of the sorts Anyways thanks again everyone ive enjoyed reading all the posts.
Silima Vanya 22/Oct/2006 at 09:57 PM
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Thanks
Jinniver Thynne 23/Oct/2006 at 04:09 AM
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geordie - CT [well, the Tolkien Estate, who own the copyright] do keep a close rein on the reproduction of Tolkien material, including the maps; both as their right _and as their duty to the wishes of JRR Tolkien_. [as expressed in his will]. So, printouts of on-line maps are out.

I’ve read lately (elsewhere) arguments from people who believe they should be allowed free access to Tolkien’s maps and who have mentioned several small websites which have been forced to close due to threats of litigation from the Tolkien estate. Well, why copy Tolkien’s maps to the web if they are copyright? Surely this is inviting bother! Especially when under copyright you are entitled to make a copy (big or small or however you want it) of the maps for your own use anyway. Personally I don’t see what the fuss is all about (its no big effort to buy the books and just copy a map!), although some seem to now have got the notion that all of Tolkien’s work should now be free public property (possibly blowing the whole ’myth’ idea out of proportion) and get numpty about it (don’t mention Beowulf.......).

As regards people’s own versions of the maps - I think its quite right that the estate should want quality with these and not encourage those who make erm....’creative’ versions. It’s not about money (well, not entirely), it’s about quality control.  

That’s the way i see it anyway!

geordie 23/Oct/2006 at 09:45 AM
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Jinniver -

I’ve read lately (elsewhere) arguments from people who believe they should be allowed free access to Tolkien’s maps and who have mentioned several small websites which have been forced to close due to threats of litigation from the Tolkien estate.

and -

some seem to now have got the notion that all of Tolkien’s work should now be free public property (possibly blowing the whole ’myth’ idea out of proportion)

Yes, that’s right. It seems to me that some people just want to steal; and get pissed off when they’re told it’s illegal. As if the act of buying [or even just having access to ] a computer puts them above such notions as paying for what you get.

There are some [including some here on the Plaza, alas!] who feel that because they own [or were given] a Tolkien book, then it’s ok for them to download the text from an illegal website. That’s stealing; you try that trick in a bookshop, and see what you get! But tell them that, and they flame you!

Alcarináro 23/Oct/2006 at 10:48 AM
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Though it may surprise you to learn this, geordie, I actually do own a copy of Sibley and Howe’s joint effort. And more surprisingly, I do not take issue with Howe’s treatment of the cartography. In this domain there is little for him to interpret, and therefore little for me to dislike.
geordie 23/Oct/2006 at 02:17 PM
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Elenhir - excellent! Hope you don’t mind; I wasn’t having a go, just a little gentle funwith you and with the Capn’, knowing your opinion of Howe’s balrogs. [as opposed to Tolkien’s.]
ThoréandanSilverleaf 23/Oct/2006 at 11:59 PM
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I have recently purchased a book called "The Atlas of Tolkien’s Middle Earth" by Karen Wyn Fonstad. It not only contains maps, but also detailed descriptions of the places depicted, along with important events that happened there, often showing the locations of armies or the paths that groups of people would have taken. The author quotes from Tolkien’s works extensively. I think it is an excellent reference tool.

Anticipating some people’s rersponses here, I’m not interested in how accurate or inaccurate this book might be. I’m getting tired of that type of discussion now. At least I went out and bought the book, so can I at least get some credit for doing that much?

Endril 24/Oct/2006 at 09:36 AM
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Thor: True performance.
Also those maps of the books are so fragile. You can’t look at them as you can’t open the book that much so you can see the entire map. Even if the map is great there’s no access to it and that’s a pitty. I tghink they should make the maps separately from the books.
geordie 24/Oct/2006 at 09:41 AM
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Thor - absolutely! And - it’s a very good reference book; I recommend it.

Legolas - some books do have separate maps - the early Dutch eds; and also the [still current] Easton Press editions.
Endril 29/Oct/2006 at 03:53 AM
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geordie: must find them first.
Quetildil 29/Oct/2006 at 01:56 PM
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Silima Vanya: The 50th anniversary Lord of the Rings collector’s set contains two maps as well, one of Middle-earth and the other of Mordor, if I remember correctly.

Anyone else: Are you saying that even if a map was hand-drawn by someone outside of the Tolkien Estate, they couldn’t post it, let’s say, here at the Plaza Library?

Endril 30/Oct/2006 at 02:09 AM
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Aryane: I would rather thing that not any map drown by anyone would be posted in the Plaza maps. I think the maps are checked and all. They can’t know who are those that send them but probably some people on tha Plaza have the original maps, and the ones posted are checked so they would be accurate. I don’t think anyone can post maps. Can you post anything in the map section without being first checked?
Hithleen Eltoran 13/Nov/2006 at 10:35 PM
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I got frustrated flipping from page to page looking for places on the maps!  So I sat down with all the reference material I had and drew my own large map of Middle Earth.  It sure took a long time, but was a labour of love.  It was definitely worth it, for me.