Massive attack over The Shire

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Endril 11/Nov/2006 at 02:48 AM
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I read in The Unfinished Tales that Sauron was afraid at a point to attack The Shire as it covered a great area. I wonder why he was afaraid of it? He could do it veru fast with some orcs. And BTW Saruman almost counquered The Shire with only a few villians that he had in his service.
Kaos the Gold 11/Nov/2006 at 05:21 AM
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Maybe he was aware that the elves in Harlindon and Forlindon was very near.  the hobbits also are a very quiet folk, they know their countryside and could fight in a guerilla fashion.  Saruman simply took over the top person, as it were and used bullies, therefore the hobbits wouldn’t really count it as an invasion.
Vugar 11/Nov/2006 at 06:10 AM
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Could you perhaps provide a specific quote, Legolas? All that I could find that seems to resemble your question is in reference to the Black Captain i.e. the Witch-king, not Sauron.

"In version B it is noted that the Black Captain did not know whether the Ring was still in the Shire; that he had to find out. The Shire was too large for a violent onslaught such as he had made on the Stoors; he must use as much stealth and as little terror as he could, and yet also guard the eastern borders." (The Hunt for the Ring (ii) Other Versions of the Story, Unfinished Tales)

The "violent onslaught...made on the Stoors" only occurred in Version B of the text, wherein the Stoor settlements within the Vales of Anduin were not entirely deserted; and those Stoors that dwelt there were either slain or driven away by the Nine. This is where the size of the Shire comes into importance, as the Nazgūl could not maintain a decent level of secrecy if they simply slew the Hobbits village by village looking for Baggins.
Endril 11/Nov/2006 at 06:32 AM
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Achaius: That was the quote indeed.
mighty ent man 11/Nov/2006 at 01:49 PM
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Legolas - That quote does not say that Sauron was afraid to attack the Shire. If you read it again more carefully you will see that it does not mention Sauron at all. It talks about the captain of the Ringwraiths. He did not know where the Ring was and was looking for it. The Shire is too large an area for the Wraiths to simply attack to get the Ring. They would not be able to quickly get the Ring if it was in the Shire. This also links in to when the Wraiths ran from Crickhollow, they relied on stealth, not violence.
Blue Goblin 13/Nov/2006 at 04:51 AM
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Maybe he thought it would be too easy, or not worth the hassle
mighty ent man 14/Nov/2006 at 03:20 AM
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Blue Goblin - I demonstrated quite clearly in my post that Sauron was not afraid to attack the Shire. He also did not think it would be too easy. I do not know his thoughts on the Shire, but what we do know is that he wanted to use the Ringwraiths to aquire the Ring in secret. He did not want to show the whole of ME what he was after.
Oin 14/Nov/2006 at 05:56 PM
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The quite simple answer is that Sauron didn’t know where the Shire was. He didn’t know what a Hobbit was either. Even the Witch-king, who centuries before would have encountered Hobbits (allegedly, at the Battle of Fornost) and certainly should have known the location of the Shire, did not know where it was. Sauron didn’t attack it because he didn’t know its location, and then afterwards because his nearest force of any size was in Moria, and Rivendell lay between it and the Shire.
Harlondir Helcaraxė 14/Nov/2006 at 11:43 PM
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Even if Sauron knew where the Shire lay, what Hobbits were, and so on, he would obviously go for the big fish, that is, Rivendell and Mirkwood and Erebor, he would not think of Hobbits being of any particular danger to him (or even of any use in the War, except for getting the Ring from them)
mighty ent man 16/Nov/2006 at 04:15 AM
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Oin - A good answer their. I forgot that he had such a poor knowledge of the Shire. This is an important piece of information to add to this thread so thanks for that! I thought Sauron had a rough idea? Or did he simply send out the Ringwraiths to look for the Shire? Did he send them out on a mission to locate the Shire?