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allendeonour 27/Nov/2006 at 02:50 AM
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hi i was thinking about galadriel and how beutiful she is but my friends like arwen more and i think eowyn is quite beutiful to so please can people tell me who they prefere [go galadriel ]
Arweniel* 27/Nov/2006 at 02:55 AM
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sorry to dissapoint you, allendeonour, but my vote is for Arwen! Galadriel just didn’t do it for me.
allendeonour 27/Nov/2006 at 02:56 AM
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each too there own
Sil 27/Nov/2006 at 02:57 AM
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Lúthien Tinúviel is widely acknowledged as being the most beautiful Child of Eru ever to grace Middle Earth.
Arwen is said to be the likeness of Tinuviel come again to ME...
Therefore, despite personal preferences, I think that Arwen is meant to be prettier. As Eómer and Gimli say though, one of them loves the Morning, but the other loves the Evening.

Also, beware this doesn’t become too survey-like!

stevem1 27/Nov/2006 at 03:00 AM
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You are referring to the films only. Of course we don’t really know what each woman looked like. I don’t really feel able to comment based on this.
allendeonour 27/Nov/2006 at 03:21 AM
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stevem1 not just refering to the film also descriptions in the book i agree with purrsephone in the books it is said that luthien tinuviel was the most beutiful child of eru ever to grace middle earth
Qtpie 27/Nov/2006 at 08:22 PM
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The most beautiful woman ever would be Luthien. Here’s a quote to back me up :

"Lúthien was the most beautiful of all the Children of Iluvatar. Blue was her raiment as the unclouded heaven, but her eyes were grey as the starlit evening." The Silmarillion: Of Beren and Luthien
Miriame Sárince 27/Nov/2006 at 08:41 PM
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"Alas, said Eomer. I will not say that she (Galadriel) is the fairest lady that lives. But I will plead this excuse..Had I seen her in other company, I would have said all that you could wish. Bu now I will put Queen Arwen Evenstar first, and I am ready to do battle on my own part with any who deny me...."

"Then Gimli bowed low. ’You are excused...you have chosen the Evening but my heart is given to the Morning. And my heart forebodes that soon it will pass away forever." (ROTK)

Luthien in the elder days and Arwen in the later days are the most lovely. But all three, they and Galadriel, had the beauty of the greatest of the elves. Eowyn was a beautiful woman but the grace of the elves could never be matched by mortal men.
Arvellas 27/Nov/2006 at 08:49 PM
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allendeonour-Welcome to the Plaza and to the Lore Fora!  This does strike me as being very like a survey, though, and we do not allow surveys in the Lore Fora, so we have to make sure that we include some intelligent discussion.  I believe that if you look around, there have also been other threads dealing with this topic recently.
NineFingered 27/Nov/2006 at 09:33 PM
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Well, among the movie characters, I would say Arwen was the best, just because Eowyn and Galadriel didn’t quite fit my idea of them as much. But if you consider the books, it’s quite a competition. Without a doubt I’d say Luthien takes the first prize, but it’s hard to decide for the rest. I’d probably do it like this:

1)Luthien 2)Galadriel 3) Idril Celebrindal 4) Elwing 4) Arwen Undomiel  6)Eowyn of Rohan 7) etc.

I’ve always been a fan of Idril and Elwing, so I had to include them.

Mithrandír 28/Nov/2006 at 04:38 AM
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Lúthien Tinúviel is widely acknowledged as being the most beautiful Child of Eru ever to grace Middle Earth.

are you sure, Purrsephone? i thought that Tinuviel was the best at her art of dancing, not looks. If you have anything to back this statment up, i would be glad...

in my opinion i would have to chose Galadriel, as i love the Elves.

Sil 28/Nov/2006 at 03:24 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Táragolloion on Monday, November 27, 2006
The most beautiful woman ever would be Luthien. Here’s a quote to back me up :

"Lúthien was the most beautiful of all the Children of Iluvatar. Blue was her raiment as the unclouded heaven, but her eyes were grey as the starlit evening." The Silmarillion: Of Beren and Luthien
There you go Nan-Tathren - Táragolloion has done it for me. *g* For which I am very grateful.
Norothon 28/Nov/2006 at 04:13 PM
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I am still not sure if we are talking about Liv Tyler and Cate Blanchet or if we are discussing Arwen and Galadriel.  If we are talking about the actresses this thread should be in the movie thread.  It is not in that thread so I will treat it as such.  Lúthien Tinúviel, as others have said, was the most beautiful being that ever graced the ground of ME.  Galadriel seems to be a close second however.  Look at what being in her presence did to Gimli.  I know that it is said that Arwen was like unto Lúthien but I don’t remember anyone ever asking Arwen for any of her hair.
>*Styxane*< 29/Nov/2006 at 04:20 AM
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In my whole opinion, ARWEN is the most beautiful in middle earth. She is charming and wise in knowledge. Just in movie because the actress is Liv Tyler, Liv Tyler is beautiful so ARWEN is beauty. If wanna say in realistic, then im not sure but most of ARWEN image is shown her as a beautiful women / elf.
Mithrandír 29/Nov/2006 at 04:46 AM
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Lúthien was the most beautiful of all the Children of Iluvatar. Blue was her raiment as the unclouded heaven, but her eyes were grey as the starlit evening." The Silmarillion: Of Beren and Luthien

oh isee, thanks alot, Purrsephone and Taragollion! its all cleared up in my mind now, especially the phrase i shouldnt use now: a quote to back me up...
Qtpie 29/Nov/2006 at 09:23 PM
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Nan-Tathren: No biggy .
lalla 30/Nov/2006 at 01:52 AM
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Luthien Tinuviel was the most beautiful being of Middle Earth, and it’s said that Arwen is similar to her for many aspects. Anyway, I still believe Galadriel should be considered the most beautiful creature, because she charms all those ones who come around her with her grace and beauty. She’s just too beautiful to be described. It’ s more that human "beauty": it’s beauty and magic, and power, and strenght, and mystery...
Wood Walker 01/Dec/2006 at 09:47 AM
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Now when you say women are you just saying any female, or a women, like a human. Cause it is kind of weird to say the Arwen is the most beuityful women when she is an elf! Like saying Legolas is a man, no he isn’t he is an elf.  Lutheinmost beuityful elf. Dwarf female Dis cause she is the only one I know. Women, i really don’t know. Hobbit, Rose Sam’s wife.

Tuna 01/Dec/2006 at 10:46 AM
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Please remember to provide evidence for why you choose who you choose (though it’s almost all out there, all I can think of is one quote about Galadriel). Posts made as votes have been deleted (w/out pointloss, so worry not).
Nieliqui Vaneyar 03/Dec/2006 at 07:04 AM
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Considering most beautiful women and not considering the actors who played them in the movies for I shall stay with the books, Morwen, mother of Turin, was considered the most beautiful mortal woman of the 1st age.  Goldberry, if we remember how Frodo and the other hobbits first encountered her, they thought she was quite beautiful (Frodo was sort of smitten by her - a little more so then he was with Arwen)

Beriel_1229 04/Dec/2006 at 08:11 PM
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I have to agree that Luthien was the most beautiful ever. Now, it says she was the most beautiful ofIlluvatar’s children!!!!!!!! Melian (luthien’s mother) was a Maia, so it is possible she was more beautiful
Qtpie 04/Dec/2006 at 08:23 PM
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I never thought of it that way before. It does mention that: Lúthien was the most beautiful of all the Children of Iluvatar. Since Melian was a Maia, I don’t think the term Children of Illuvatar ever applies to any of the Ainur. As far as I know, the Children of Illuvatar only refers to the Elves and Men.
Beriel_1229 04/Dec/2006 at 08:55 PM
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Yes, because Ea conceived them in his mind, he was the third theme he sang.
Mirkwoodworker 05/Dec/2006 at 01:15 AM
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I’d like to vote for either Galadriel, Luthien, Arwen, or Eowyn (reminds me of Paris and the Golden Apple), but I’ve never met any of them and I don’t know what they look like. Tolkien’s descriptions, where they exist, are vague. So we all might as well accept the oft-quoted (in this thread) statement from The Silmarillion that Luthien was the prettiest of them all.

Shunshuu 05/Dec/2006 at 05:56 AM
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i think that arwen is the most butifoul women and i read that luthien was as beoutifoul as arwen.i don’t think that galadriel is a beautifoul women,mabe a beautifoul elf women... 
Tuna 05/Dec/2006 at 08:17 AM
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Shunshuu- Luthien was stated as being the most beautiful of the Children of Iluvatar, and Arwen was said to have borne her likeness. Also, all of these three are, at the very least, half-elven, so the fact that Galadriel is pure elven doesn’t necessarily mean much.

I would like to make a case for Galadriel being the fairest in the Third Age.
A queen she was of the woodland Elves, the wife of Celeborn of Doriath, yet she herself was of the Noldor and remembered the Day before days in Valinor, and she was the mightiest and fairest of all the Elves that remained in Middle-earth. ~Of the Rings and the Third Age, The Silmarillion
Now, I will grant that Arwen was born during the Third Age, yet I don’t see that really applying in this case. Course, it also happens to be that Arwen finally chooses a mortal life, yet such a choice doesn’t come till the very end of the Third Age. To me, the prize goes to Galadriel.

Thaliondae Suchi-ru 05/Dec/2006 at 09:23 AM
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"Lúthien was the most beautiful of all the Children of Iluvatar. Blue was her raiment as the unclouded heaven, but her eyes were grey as the starlit evening." The Silmarillion: Of Beren and Luthien
See i though that by saying "Children of Illuvatar" they meant only the elves whichcwould leave men, dwarves, hobbits and maia all out of it. For instance i always imagined that Melian would be extremely beautiful aswell

Tuna 05/Dec/2006 at 09:28 AM
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I could understand potentially leaving the Ainur out from Children of Iluvatar as their origins are distinct from that of the others by fact that they have a role of governing Ea, not simply living in it. Well, that and the fact that the Elves are called the Firstborn, yet such would be impossible if the Ainur came before hand.

However, you shall have to explain to me how Men are not included in the Children of Iluvatar, and same with hobbits by virtue of them being descendents from the line of Men. As for Dwarves, I see their case too as being members of the Children of Iluvatar, albeit Children of his adoption, not of his choice (a distinction he makes clear when he grants them life).

Tuna 05/Dec/2006 at 04:21 PM
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Orshtok- Welcome to the plaza and the Lore fora. Just as a friendly and helpful note, the movies are not considered authoritative when it comes to finding the truth about Middle-earth. In the lore fora, we cite the books, the movies forum is reserved for talk about the movies.
Shunshuu 05/Dec/2006 at 10:33 PM
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Tunathonial: yes u are right.but in the end bought,luthien and arwen,became humans but galadriel remains an elf and that’s why her beauty will last for ever.but arwen and luthien will get old and die.but u are right at the begining luthien was the most butifoul child of Iuvatar 

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Tuna 05/Dec/2006 at 10:41 PM
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Actually, I wouldn’t go so far as to say they became human rather than they became mortal. They were still in their original bodies, yet chose the mortal existance which is the gift of Men rather than that of immortality. Side point, yet important nevertheless as the two remained "half-elven" despite their mortality.
Qtpie 06/Dec/2006 at 08:53 PM
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Like Tuna has pointed out, Luthien and Arwen didn’t become humans. The ability to choose, was only given to half-elves, like Arwen and Elrond. It is just that when they die, they will be counted amongst the Edain and suffer the fate of whatever happens to Men after they die.
lalla 08/Dec/2006 at 02:31 AM
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Of course Luthien and Arwen didn’t become humans. They just gave up their immortality for love, but they were still elves. Anyway, I think we can put this topic this way "most beautiful female creature" (including all the races in Middle Earth). And I still think Galadriel could be considered the most beautiful. There are not precise descriptions of her aspect, but she’s portraited as a sort of "virgin Mary". Someone above the others.
Ennostiel 08/Dec/2006 at 05:10 PM
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i think each of them is beautiful, because none of them can be perfect- different people like different colors of skin, hair, eyes and etc. so theres no way any one of them can be perfect =]
though, i wonder why arwen and elrond have dark hair while all other elves have blond hair....
Mirkwoodworker 08/Dec/2006 at 11:38 PM
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Ennostiel: Actually, most Elves had dark hair. A minority were "golden-haired" (the Vanyar and the Noldor of the House of Finarfin).
elvenboy20 09/Dec/2006 at 09:21 AM
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I think arwen was pretty even though she was with aragorn she was very pretty i actually didnt think galadriel was that pretty. she was just so gloomy she looked sad all of the time exept the time she smiled when the fellowship was leaving to finish their quest she was also very happy after she did that weird thing the night she was talking to frodo after he looked in the mirror in the bird bath looking thing.

Beriel_1229 09/Dec/2006 at 09:41 AM
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*GROWLS* elvenboy20-
        In THE BOOK (which we consider ultimate knowledge around here) Galadriel was plainly described as beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Arwen was after the likeness of Luthien, so she was prettier (in my opinion) but Galadriel was beautiful also.
Ennostiel 09/Dec/2006 at 10:04 AM
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i never new that most elves had dark hair...that’s weird i thought most of them had light hair like you know maybe a likeness to angels or something =] i dunno.... but i think that all of them are ment to be beautiful since elves are supposed to be perfect( w/ their fast movents, and sleep walking with their eyes open, and well you get it) yah....
Skauril 09/Dec/2006 at 02:32 PM
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No offence to Cate Blanchett, but she doesn’t exactly represent my ideal of female beauty.  I’ll sound like a superficial bastard (which I am most certainly not) when I say this, but the way Tolkien described Galadriel’s beauty, perhaps they could have picked a less.. err... horse faced actress to portray her?  Acting and all that aside.

Well, she (Miss Blanchett) did do a convincing role, though.

As far as the most beautiful woman on Middle-earth in concerned, I think it’s safe to say that the candidates are all elven. It’s hard to say which one was the most beautiful since we cannot actually see what they looked like in Tolkien’s mind (only the actresses that portrayed them in the movies), but judging from his descriptions, I’d say that Arwen takes the title.

Kaulargorn 13/Dec/2006 at 03:58 PM
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Definitely Arwen!And if we think that she is quite like the movie Arwen, great! Liv Tyler is top! Eowyn seems great too. She has a cold beautiness, something that is very charming, of course not as Arwen.As for the movie version again, Miradda is very close to that cold distant charming too.Well done PJ!

Araneg 13/Dec/2006 at 04:11 PM
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"Lúthien was the most beautiful of all the Children of Iluvatar. Blue was her raiment as the unclouded heaven, but her eyes were grey as the starlit evening." The Silmarillion - Of Beren and Luthie

   If we are going to go with what is correct then you would have to say that it would be Luthien. And that Arwen would be second most beautifull. Probably followed then by Galadriel. That is what is technically correct. I however film wise find Arwen to be the most beautiful out of them all. To me Eowyn looked as if she were sick often. And Galadriel well ....... im not really sure what they were thinking. Cate Blanchett is now in a movie where she portrays a russian I really do not imagine an elf ever really looking like a russian (not saying that russian women are ugly). Anyways thats my take on it at least. Really though outside what is written it is just up to eprsonal taste.

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Endril 13/Dec/2006 at 09:52 PM
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Well, the most beautiful woman in ME was always considered Luthin. Then followed the ones in the third age like Arwen, Galadriel and other. Also not only the elven ones were beautiful. Maybe the other like Eowin would be as beautiful as the eldar. Depends on the tastes.

What a thread.
Kaulargorn 15/Dec/2006 at 11:54 AM
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The movie Galadriel is like a Russian?! What’s so bad about that anyway? Really with dark hair Kate Blancett is much better but you can’t say that she’s ugly as she is shown in the movie but in the end it’s a matter of personal taste as you say.As for Luthien, she must be something else as Beren went to steal the Silmaril from Morgoth single-handed!

Daywalker 15/Dec/2006 at 11:59 AM
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My personal opinion about this Cate Blanchett is that she has given the ’true’ face to Galadriel. Somehow that is one (and maybe only) cast that fits like a glove. Every opinion here is as valid as another because how we could say to other that you’re not right?
lalla 17/Dec/2006 at 02:38 PM
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I agree with you Daywalker. I think Cate Blanchett is perfect in the role of Galadriel. She’s exactly how I imagined this beautiful and someway "cold" queen. It’s difficult to express. Someone perfect, aethernal and definitely not human (not only because she’s an Elf). Then, of course, it’s true that every opinion is as valid as another, because everyone can imagine the characters in a different way.
Arien Ellariel 18/Dec/2006 at 07:34 AM
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I like them all. They are all beautiful in their own way. I’ll admit that the elves probably have more beauty than men do just because they have that etheriel quality about them. If you’re talking the movie versions, I still would find it hard to pick between Arwen and Galadriel. Sorry!
Tuna 18/Dec/2006 at 08:51 AM
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Any further talk about the worthiness of Cate Blanchett, Liv Tyler, or Miranda Ottis will result in the thread being closed. This is a forum for discussing the books, not the movies.
elendil88 18/Dec/2006 at 02:46 PM
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From the book, I would say that Galadriel is beatiful in her own way, i know that she has much potential to be evil given the right circumstances, yet she has the air of grace. even though she has this, she is a very difference elf to Arwen. They seem world apart, yet they are from the same race, odd! Anyway, Galadriel is my answer, though Luthien is very beautiful (in a different way though).
Qtpie 18/Dec/2006 at 05:51 PM
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elendil88 can you expand a bit more on Galadriel’s potential to be evil?
Rapiere Lorde 18/Dec/2006 at 08:22 PM
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Yes, Arwen is much better in beauty than Eowyn. Due to the fact that Eowyn is never seen in anything other than rags and armor, she would never look better than Arwen.

Arwen, as in elf would be without the things that mortals gain throughout their lives such as wrinkles, worry lines, and other things.
Qtpie 18/Dec/2006 at 09:17 PM
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Rapiere: Welcome to the lore fora! I’d have to disagree with you. She wasn’t portrayed in rags and armor. Consider this quote:

’Very fair was her face, and her long hair was like a river of gold. Slender and tall she was in her white robe girt with silver;...’ The Two Towers: The King of the Golden Hall
Tuna 18/Dec/2006 at 10:36 PM
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Survey answers and movie references have sadly brought this thread to an end. Thread Closed.