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Arahir 27/Nov/2006 at 10:32 PM
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 I’ve heard a rumour that Tolkiens son or somethign is going to continue the books and possibly, the movies. I REALLY don’t like this idea, one, because I don’t think he can mimick the skill John had with his books. and two, because, ITS OVER! I’d prefer to imagine my own ideas of ME after the books rather than someone else put them in my head. So I just want everyone elses opinion about this. So...?????
AlcarinŠro 27/Nov/2006 at 10:48 PM
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Here’s a little advice: don’t listen to rumours. And if you do listen to rumours, take the time to try and figure out whether they are true or not before judging people and matters. And whatever you do, do not perpetuate rumours without verifying them!
I believe I know what the origin of the rumours are (but your information is extremely flawed), but I will not tell you what the truth is, because then you won’t have to take that advice. Instead, I am going to point you in a direction. Read back a few pages in this ’Books’ forum. There will be several threads that will shed light on the matter.
Ygdrazill 28/Nov/2006 at 01:46 AM
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Proof or not, that just is not possible to do. To change an author in a matter like this, where every thing thats important hangs on the one that started it all, it would be, just not in Tolkiens works, devestating. The mayor part of the books is written by Tolkiens imagination, in Tolkiens way and most important of all, with his effort. I dont think anyone could even be able to complete anything new. There is just to much you cant miss when you are writing them.

Lord of the Rings 28/Nov/2006 at 12:53 PM
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CHRISTOPHER TOLKIEN DOES NOT WRITE FICTION.

The rumour in the first post is extraordinarily inaccurate, and all would do well to NOT heed it. Listen to Elenhir, and please do not perpetuate this.

Rather than trusting to people to go and verify the truth, I would like to get this out here:

When Tolkien died, he appointed his son Christopher as his literary executor with pretty much full control over everything to do with his writings. Christopher undertook the job of editing together his father’s drafts of the great work he was working on and published it as The Silmarillion. It is [almost] entirely J.R.R.’s writings. Then CT went and published first the Unfinished Tales and later the twelve volume History of Middle-earth. He was presenting his father’s drafts and writings with CT’s commentary and explanations of how each writing relates to the overall picture. He never claimed any of his father’s writings as his own, or added his own fiction to the mix.

What he is doing now is similar to what was done with the Silmarillion. He is taking drafts of his father’s writings, and publishing them with minimal editorial disturbance. As Elenhir said, this information is not hard to come by if one looks for it. This scenario is completely different from the Dune books, just as one example.
Nennia Hlothram 28/Nov/2006 at 01:17 PM
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Rumours rumours rumours...rubbish! As Lord of the Rings said, Christopher Tolkien does not write fiction...he only edits his father’s work. And Arahir, as you said yourself, they can’t continue TLotR because the story finished. There’s nothing more they can add on! *is reminded of a funny skit in RotK EE*
Loin Stealtharm 28/Nov/2006 at 02:05 PM
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He is however going to publish a new book: "the children of Hurin", but of course he didn’t really wrote that himself. The book will come out in 2007 (somewhere at the beginning of the year). It seems interesting, but on the other side, Silm and UT were pretty detailed about Turin and Niennor’s life (and the third child of Hurin who died very early).
So maybe this is the book you heard rumor’s about. It’s not a continuation, but another compilation of his fathers work.

Bongestab 28/Nov/2006 at 07:02 PM
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I am not a master in Tolkien’s subjects, but  I’d say "Lord of the Rings" is pretty much over, and I wouldn’t like to know that someone is trying to go further with the history.

A good friend of mine told me once that what is amazing about Tolkien’s writing is that everything comes to an end, like the real world, so that makes Middle-Earth very real. There a lot of stories going on for ages, and he tell us a part of this incredible world, so all we can do is imagine how incredible Middle-Earth really is.

I really feel sad when I read Frodo telling to Sam on Grey Havens that everything he has or might have had belongs to Sam, then you realize he’s leaving this world, and that’s pretty sad. A fantastic character leaving this world forever. You wonder about Frodo’s journey and his new life in Valinor (not sure if I’m right). I wouldn’t like to see stories about Frodo on the other world.

 

Loin Stealtharm 29/Nov/2006 at 12:07 AM
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Bongestap, well actually, not all is over. Tolkien once started on the fourth era, but decided to stop with it as it didn’t felt right.

About Frodo, he will not have big adventures in valinor, just living without pain and dying when it’s time. And although it’s sad that Frodo and Sam seperate, Sam will join Frodo as he sailed west on IV 61. But you’re right that there will probably not be a continuation of the story :)

Jin Darkmoon 29/Nov/2006 at 12:57 AM
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I must say I heard this rumour as well although I heard it was not that Christopher Tolkien was adding onto the Lord of the Rings but rather that he was continuing with Aragorn’s son and daughters story. I didn’t heed the rumour too much first of all because Christopher Tolkien has been huge in making sure that his father’s works stay his father’s works and second because it would be really bad for the Tolkien name and the entire Tolkien family would be against it.
Nennia Hlothram 29/Nov/2006 at 06:16 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Loin Stealtharm on Tuesday, November 28, 2006

He is however going to publish a new book: "the children of Hurin", but of course he didnít really wrote that himself. The book will come out in 2007 (somewhere at the beginning of the year


Yes you’re right, The Children of Hurin is coming out in April 2007, so I’ve heard. I think it should be good. And Christopher Tolkien did write it himself, with the help of his father’s notes. And Arahir, Loin is right. Maybe this  is the book you’ve heard rumours about...

Bongestab 29/Nov/2006 at 06:36 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Loin Stealtharm on Wednesday, November 29, 2006

Bongestap, well actually, not all is over. Tolkien once started on the fourth era, but decided to stop with it as it didnít felt right.


As I said in my post, I’m not a master of Professor Tolkien’s life. That I leave for you, Geordie, and others.

He could easily write adventures for a fourth age, as the world he set out to create is very believable, but maybe there’s more magic to Middle-earth only with the passing of the third age. I fininished reading the book for the third time two days ago and I always feel sad when the book is about to end, the last chapters..

Loin Stealtharm 29/Nov/2006 at 07:19 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Bongestab on Wednesday, November 29, 2006
Quote: Originally posted by Loin Stealtharm on Wednesday, November 29, 2006

Bongestap, well actually, not all is over. Tolkien once started on the fourth era, but decided to stop with it as it didnít felt right.


As I said in my post, Iím not a master of Professor Tolkienís life. That I leave for you, Geordie, and others.

He could easily write adventures for a fourth age, as the world he set out to create is very believable, but maybe thereís more magic to Middle-earth only with the passing of the third age. I fininished reading the book for the third time two days ago and I always feel sad when the book is about to end, the last chapters..


I totally agree with you that his decision to leave the 4th era untouched was a wise decision. The ending of Lotr is semi-happy and semi-sad, but it’s a nice ending for an era. No need to continue the story from there

And nennia, thanks for confirming! I thought that was the most logic explanation about the ’rumours’.

geordie 29/Nov/2006 at 10:02 AM
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Yes you’re right, The Children of Hurin is coming out in April 2007, so I’ve heard. I think it should be good. And Christopher Tolkien did write it himself, with the help of his father’s notes.

Actually, Christopher doesn’t write fiction. The Children of Hurin is by JRR Tolkien; edited by CT. I began a thread about it;

>here<
Celebind Eryniel 29/Nov/2006 at 11:27 AM
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Another reason for me to look forward to 2007!  5 months and counting until April of next year, if I did the math right. 
I agree that the LotR storyline was best left where it was (if what I just said made any sense).
Nennia -- I saw that skit too.  It was very amusing.

Nennia Hlothram 29/Nov/2006 at 11:40 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by geordie on Wednesday, November 29, 2006

Actually, Christopher doesnít write fiction. The Children of Hurin is by JRR Tolkien; edited by CT.


B-but noo! That can’t be... I actually googled it! Most of the sites said that Christopher Tolkien wrote The Children of Hurin with a lot of help from his father’s notes. A few sites also said that the book is actually based on his father’s notes. Google can’t be wrong...can it?!

AlcarinŠro 29/Nov/2006 at 12:54 PM
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Google can’t be wrong, Nennia, because Google relates what is out there. It doesn’t say anything is the case. The individual sites are run by individual people, however, and people are, more often than not, misinformed and uncaring about being misinformed. Don’t believe what people say.
KingODuckingham 29/Nov/2006 at 01:07 PM
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Don’t believe what people say. Or at least, don’t believe what uninformed people say.
geordie 29/Nov/2006 at 02:14 PM
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Nennia - in addition to the link I gave above, you can also try the Tolkien Estate’s new site - >Here< - it’s very good!
Sermela Calalen 29/Nov/2006 at 03:50 PM
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Geordie- Thanks for the link as I found that answered a lot of questions I had not only on the Children of Hurin but other things as well. I am truly looking forward to the book as I love Turin’s story and the tragedy of it.
geordie 30/Nov/2006 at 10:10 AM
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Furball -
Tenharien Calmcacil 30/Nov/2006 at 09:25 PM
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I am most definately gettin the Children of Hurin, and maybe the unfinished tales someday. Tolkien’s book just have control over me lol. Anyway rumors fly and things happen. By the way, anyone heard anything of the unfinsihed tales book?
Endril 01/Dec/2006 at 03:12 AM
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Btw, from where did you got that from? I don’t think Cristopher would continue the work of his father. He made a lot of efforts to conservate and maintain it, even publishing. Why would he try to ruin it now by continuing it? Also, what to continue? The story of LOTR is ended by Tolkien himself. There’s nothing to be added. I don’t belive that rumour or any other though.
Tenharien Calmcacil 01/Dec/2006 at 10:15 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Legolas Fireblade on Friday, December 01, 2006
Btw, from where did you got that from? I donít think Cristopher would continue the work of his father. He made a lot of efforts to conservate and maintain it, even publishing. Why would he try to ruin it now by continuing it? Also, what to continue? The story of LOTR is ended by Tolkien himself. Thereís nothing to be added. I donít belive that rumour or any other though.
It is true. You can go to wikipeida and see, or amazon.com as well to name a few sources. Amazon will be carrying the book, its scheduled to release in 2007. Chistopher has finished and always edited his fathers work before. I think its great that he does this. If anyone can help his fathers work its him.
Endril 01/Dec/2006 at 11:55 AM
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The thing that you are refering too is probably the book called The children of Hurin and not any kind of continuing LOTR. The action of it is placed in another age than the war of the ring and it’s a different story took from the UT. It will be a great one but does not continues LOTR.
gilnaur 01/Dec/2006 at 12:07 PM
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Legolas Fireblade maybe the origional storyline has ended but time didnt cut off. There are still many villans out there and what about rebuilding the great city of Minas Tirith? They cant just leave it destroyed, they have to rebuild it. To make sure that someone doesnt take Saurons spot they have to eliminate all evil. I think they could make a book out of that, with a few twists. I dont think that it would ruin it.

 

geordie 01/Dec/2006 at 02:30 PM
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what about rebuilding the great city of Minas Tirith? They cant just leave it destroyed, they have to rebuild it. T

Hello Narion - what’s all this about Minas Tirith being destroyed, and needing rebuilding? It wasn’t destroyed, and didn’t need rebuilding.

In the book, only the gate was broken - no foe entered the city. It didn’t take long to patch up.

Welcome to the Plaza by the way.

Falvlun 01/Dec/2006 at 02:58 PM
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Narion, Tolkien did start a sequel to the Lord of the Rings, but ultimately abandoned it. It was called The New Shadow, set about a 100 years after the death of Aragorn. Since it was set in the 4th Age, the Age of Man, it would necessarily have to deal with Men and their tendencies, ie, boredom with the "good life". With no real evil to combat, people start bickering with each other, or creating evil themselves. Tolkien decided the novel would be merely a ’thriller’, not anything that would actually add to his mythology, and that this sort of story would just be "not worth doing." (Letter 256)

So we see Tolkien would not write the sequel, and for good reasons.

If someone else wrote the sequel.... no, I just don’t want to think about that. That happened with the Dune series, and in my opinion, none of the books written by people other than Frank Herbert capture the true flavor. And it creates contradictions and confusing interconnections, and overlapping timelines as more and more people write further sequels.

No, be content with what you’ve got. It truly is a masterpiece, and there’s no need to be greedy!

Endril 01/Dec/2006 at 03:00 PM
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Narion: Yes it will. A book only with men that fight against what? Against a few remaining orcs and against an evil that is not there any more. Sauron can’t come back neither Morgoth. The ring is destroyed so no darl lord can emmerge. Hoe could that continue? I can’t figure it out.
Battlehamster 01/Dec/2006 at 04:09 PM
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Wasn’t it the whole thing with an evil, Melkor worshipping cult starting in Gondor?  Or something along those lines.  Which is pretty much what happened with Numenor, so I’m glad that he decided not to complete it.  It’s way better with it ending at LotR.

Counting the days until April...

Tenharien Calmcacil 02/Dec/2006 at 10:32 AM
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Since the book is set in the very first age I think it will be interesting to see the various differences in the world and in the characters. I cannot wai to get it. I am glad there this book takes place way before the war of the ring.
Lord of the Rings 04/Dec/2006 at 09:50 AM
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Tenharien, if you haven’t read it already, you might like The Silmarillion, which gives a broad look at the entire history of the First Age (and actually includes a brief version of this very Tale of Turin).
TurambarGR 04/Dec/2006 at 10:08 AM
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Guys, don’t hate me, but I would like to add something to your debate.. Though, I do believe that a sequel of LOTR is a bad idea, I would like to read more stories about the second or third age. These ages cover a lot of years and a lot of important events which are described in the Silmarillion only in brief. I would like to see some new storties aabout this period. And I wouldn’t mind if these stories were not Tolkien’s... After all we will judge them.
Wilibald Bumble 04/Dec/2006 at 06:33 PM
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The Children of Hurin!!!!!

Your rumour proved to be right! Children of Hurin, a collection of notes by J.R.R. Tolkien, edited by Christopher Tolkien is set to come out mid-2007. This event marks a publishing as large as the Silmarillion!!

Can’t wait!

Wilibald Bumble at your service and your family’s

Tenharien Calmcacil 05/Dec/2006 at 09:21 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Lord of the Rings on Monday, December 04, 2006
Tenharien, if you haven’t read it already, you might like The Silmarillion, which gives a broad look at the entire history of the First Age (and actually includes a brief version of this very Tale of Turin).


I once borrowed the return of the king and the silmarillion from the library once but i only finsihed the return of the king and didnt have the time to start or finish the sil, so i skimmed it and didnt understand a thing, so i think ill have to get it when i have time to read it fully. Thanks a lot!
Laielinwen 06/Dec/2006 at 02:11 AM
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Tenharien I’m not surprised you didn’t understand the Sil when you skimmed it. It is not easy to just casually read it and understand it all... there are so many details and characters. I started it and then started it again with notecards and pencil in hand to keep the family trees straight! hehe You definitely should read it and you definitely should give yourself plenty of time to read it carefully and comprehend it well as you go. It is fascinating and enlightening, but a different sort of book to the LOTR. Give it a go!
Tenharien Calmcacil 06/Dec/2006 at 06:40 AM
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Oh wow, lol taking notes on a book. Well it must be as hard to read as i believed it to be then. Thats outragous .Well i thnk im finally up to the task, being a bit older and focused, not to mention ill get the book when i have time to read it. It’s to the library for me!Thanks, Laielinwen.
Lord of the Rings 06/Dec/2006 at 07:49 AM
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Tenharien, the Sil is a hard book, as Laielinwen says, but there are some ways to make it easier. I never took notes myself, but you might want to (each person being different in their style); but what I did find most helpful were the resources at the back of the book. There is an extensive index which includes brief descriptions of each term (most helpful) as well as several charts about the family trees and such. These things can really make reading the Sil far clearer. Have fun reading
Dragon Heart 06/Dec/2006 at 08:29 AM
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Well if there are new versions of LOTR, i look forward to reading them. I agree that there should be books to show what happened in the 2nd and 3rd ages before the LOTR story takes place. Yeah there is The Hobbit but that just focuses on Bilbo finding the one ring. I would like to see how every thing came to be and every thing like that.
Nenarye 06/Dec/2006 at 08:35 AM
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Dragon - HoME perhaps?
And there won’t be another LotR BTW, so don’t get your hopes up because there is no one to write it, considering that C Tolkien doesn’t write fiction . . .
Laielinwen 06/Dec/2006 at 09:36 AM
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Lord of the Rings I started out flipping back and forth too and got dizzy and fell off my bed.  Well maybe I didnít, but it got annoying to me and writing it seemed to help me retain it better. Of course this was before the plaza and the movies. I think if you are a plaza member you have the advantage of seeing the Admin. icons and have a sense of the names before you read the books so it would be an easier go really.
Endril 06/Dec/2006 at 12:18 PM
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Well, you see the icons and this way you know the valar but yet not who they are and what they did. For that you have to go and read the book. The lore forumas are great too, to make an ideea about other writings of Tolkien, know them and then finally start reading them.
Lord of the Rings 06/Dec/2006 at 01:05 PM
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The Plaza is indeed a good resource for helping to comprehend the Sil. My single re-reading of the Silmarillion since I joined the Plaza was far more clear to me than my single reading beforehand- moreso than one would expect simply from it being the second time through.

I also took a different tack on that read through as well: I picked out one particular kingdom, and read all of the chapters relevent to that kingdom. Because things are interconnected, this raised questions for me about other strands, so I went and read those. It worked quite well actually, and helped me, at least, see the cause and effect lines through time.