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Blade of Narsil 29/Nov/2006 at 11:53 AM
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my most favorite place in middle earth is of Mirkwood because there is so much history about it, and so much we dont know.  here is some histotr of it. 

Mirkwood was the great forest east of the Anduin in Wilderland. It was originally called Greenwood the Great until the shadow of Sauron fell over the woods. The forest became dark and filled with evil creatures, but the great Woodland Realm of the Elves endured. During the War of the Ring, Legolas of Mirkwood gained renown as a member of the Fellowship, and after Sauron’s downfall the forest was free of the shadow of evil once more.

Mirkwood was the largest forest in Middle-earth in the Third Age. From north to south the forest covered approximately 425 miles. From east to west it was about 200 miles across at its widest point. On the southeastern side of the forest was the East Bight, a great clearing that cut into the woods. At this point the distance across Mirkwood was the shortest - about 75 miles - and it was known as the Narrows of the Forest.

Many of the trees of Mirkwood were ancient and very tall. The canopy of the forest was a thick tangle of branches that let in little light. Among the different kinds of trees were beeches and oaks. Fir trees grew on the slopes of the Mountains of Mirkwood in the northern part of the forest. There were also many dark fir trees in southern Mirkwood around the bare, stony hill called Amon Lanc.

The Forest River flowed through the northern part of Mirkwood from the Grey Mountains in the north to Long Lake east of the forest. The Enchanted Stream sprang from a source in the Mountains of Mirkwood and flowed north to join the Forest River. Another stream, whose name is not known, flowed east from the mountains into the River Running. The River Running passed through the easternmost edge of Mirkwood for a short distance.

Blackrose Bugg 29/Nov/2006 at 08:02 PM
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Blade-  what would you like to discuss about Mirkwood?  In these forums-  we need to have questions to be answered or a statement made that people can agree or disagree with.  Just cutting and pasting material from tuckborough.net is not allowed - as there is nothing for people to discuss, and it is plagiarism.  Please make your posts your OWN thinking - and be sure to open a discussion with what you have to say.  Thank you.
Annuicalar 01/Dec/2006 at 01:05 AM
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What I like to talk about is what this geographic situation means for Mirkwood elves.

For first, I bet they weren’t farmers. To live in a forest like it means not to have space to cultivate the food. They were probably hunters.

Also it makes uneasy the comunication with the outside, or at least less frequent.

What else can cause to live in a forest like it? Is not the same than Lothlorien. What differences can you find?

Tenharien Calmcacil 01/Dec/2006 at 10:08 AM
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I like Mirkwood too. It is very historic and I love reading about it, even hearing about it. I can always pout a good image in my head of what it look like. Its just a great location. Maybe its because the forest is so large. Maybe its the spiders lol, though i dont like the things.
Harlondir Helcaraxë 01/Dec/2006 at 06:55 PM
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Annuicalar : The Elves of Mirkwood were forest elves. They liked to live there. And the part where they lived was very beautiful. Moreover, a lot grows in forests, and likewise a lot grew there also (I’m not very sure about this). They had constant trade and communication with the Men of Esgaroth. But yes, they were hostile to most other people.
samissupercool 02/Dec/2006 at 06:57 AM
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a forest-dwelling gives many advantages to those who live there, the most obvious of those to be that it hides you from the outside world
isn’t this what the elves seem to do, even in places where there are very few enemies? such as in rivendell?
maybe it is an elvish tradition?
Jesus Freak 02/Dec/2006 at 07:16 AM
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Yeah, I’ve always liked Mirkwood. Wasn’t it renamed after the War of the Ring? If so, what was it renamed? It’s a cool place though, except for the spiders. Yahvanna (pardon the spelling) made ents, right? Were there ents in Mirkwood? I don’t think I’ve seen it mentioned.
Vugar 02/Dec/2006 at 07:52 AM
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Jesus Freak, Mirkwood was renamed after a meeting took place between Thranduil and Celeborn.  The new name given to the forest was Eryn Lasgalen, the "Wood of Greenleaves."  In a sense, Yavanna could be named as the creator of the Ents, as it was her thought that summoned the spirits from afar that would become the Ents.  As to the possibility of Ents in Mirkwood, I am not entirely sure on the matter.  I think it unlikely, though.  Most Ents seem to have been located in Fangorn Forest or in the Southern end of the Misty Mountains in general by the Third Age.  There was also the matter of Sauron, at one time, and the fortress of Dol Guldur in Southern Mirkwood.
Qtpie 02/Dec/2006 at 10:32 AM
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Here’s a quote about the creation of the Ents.

"When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared. For a time: while the Firstborn are in their power, and while the Secondborn are young." The Silmarillion
Jesus Freak 03/Dec/2006 at 06:18 AM
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OK, thanks!
Arvellas 03/Dec/2006 at 10:54 AM
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samissupercool-By the end of the Third Age, the Elves were beginning to fade and keep to themselves, not caring as much about the affairs of mortals as they might once have.  That could explain the rather hidden, withdrawn location of Rivendell.  Lorien was in Sauron’s view, and so the Elves there became suspicious of outsiders because they had to protect themselves.  The Elves of Mirkwood were descended from the tribes that never went to Faerie, and they seem to be more suspicious by nature.
Lifur 05/Dec/2006 at 06:54 AM
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Rivendell was founded as a frtress in the second age, when Sauron was invading, and destroying Eriador so it had to be strong, hard to approach unseen and fairly well hidden.  Also, Arvellas, if we’re saying that the elves of Lorien are suspicious due to Mordor, then Thranduil has Dol Guldur to contend with, and is thus justified in his suspicion.  Another point is that Lorien, like Mirkwood, is a Sindarin realm, only Galadriel ever saw valinor in the light of the two trees: both Celeborn and their followers had never passed over the sea.
Qtpie 05/Dec/2006 at 08:10 PM
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Lifur: Rivendell wasn’t so much as a fortress as it was just a safe haven and refugee for those seeking it. This is how Sam described Rivendell:

"...There’s something of everything here, if you understand me: the Shire and the Golden Wood and Gondor and kings’ houses and inns and meadows and mountains all mixed." The Return of the King: Many Meetings

Rivendell relied on its position of being safely hidden and its allies armies, as it didn’t have an army of its own.
Gorynhk 08/Dec/2006 at 02:53 PM
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I was under the impression after reading... well, currently reading The Hobbit, that Mirkwood was a place of evil.
Vugar 08/Dec/2006 at 03:29 PM
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Gorynhk, At that point in the history of Middle-earth it was, or at least the majority of it was overshadowed by the presence of the Necromancer i.e. Sauron towards the south in Dol Guldur.  Thranduil and his people were constantly driven northward by this threat.  Mirkwood was once known by the name of Greenwood the Great, but was given the name of Mirkwood when a shadow fell upon it around the year of 1050 in the Third Age. 

Also, take into account that the Quest of Erebor took place in the year 2941.  That was also the year in which Sauron fled from Dol Guldur when the fortress was attacked by the White Council.  It had not been the first time Sauron had fled from Dol Guldur, however.

Morgil 18/Dec/2006 at 07:15 PM
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Mirkwood/Greenwood has always been a favorite of mine, despite the relative lack of description. In honesty, I have to admit that this is partially due to the nostalgic appeal of the animated version of The Hobbit. That was my introduction to the wonderful world of Tolkien, and even then, at the age of 8, I had a fondness for elves. After reading The Hobbit and learning a bit more about Thranduil and his people, I was even more intrigued.