Rohan and the Councel

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Ronaya 29/Nov/2006 at 04:45 PM
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Why was know one from Rohan at the Councel of Elrond? Did Gandalf not have any friends there? Was it because Theoden had been corrupted, or just that knowone was sutable?
Sermela Calalen 29/Nov/2006 at 05:22 PM
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The Council was not called it was made up of people who happened to be in Rivendell at the time. Gimli was there informing Elrond of events that involved the dwarves while Legolas came to bring news of Gollum and Boromir came to have a dream interpreted. There was no purposeful exclusion of Rohan.
Harlondir Helcaraxë 29/Nov/2006 at 05:52 PM
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The Council of Elrond was not a Parliament or some such thing of Middle-Earth. It need not have have had representation from every place in Middle-Earth. As Furball said, The Council wasn’t called. It just happened to be held when everyone was at Imladris.
Let me clear a few things : Gandalf had friends in Rohan, Theoden had not been corrupted, he was more like a puppet, and there were quite a few suitable people in Rohan to represent it at the Council.
halfir 29/Nov/2006 at 06:02 PM
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Ronaya: All those who came by ’chance’ to the meeting that finally convened at Rivendell had some connection with the One:

Legolas came to report on Gollum; Gloin and Gimli to report on Sauron’s messenger; Boromir on his dream;the Hobbits and Strider as part of the ’Quest’; Gandalf because of the finding of the One.

Rohan had no such direct connection with the One. Moreover, Grima Wormtongue, on the orders of Saruman, would probably have negatived any representation form Rohan had a formal invitation form Elrond been issued-but it hadn’t:

’That is the purpose for which you are called hither. Called, I say, though I have not called you to me, starngers  from distant lands. You have come and are here met, in this very nick of time, by chance, as it may seem. Yet it is not so. Believe rather that it is so ordered that we, who sit here, and none otheres, must now find counsel for the peril of the world.’{FOTR-The Council of Elrond}

Loin Stealtharm 30/Nov/2006 at 12:56 AM
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Yep, and both Gondor and Rohan are ’men’, and they have been in an alliance for ages, so one could say that in that way the race of men for rohan were still represented by boromir.

But as everyone said above, they were not summoned, they used to be there at rivendell for different reasons and that’s why there were different races at the council of elrond.

Mithrandír 30/Nov/2006 at 04:53 AM
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Legolas came to report on Gollum; Gloin and Gimli to report on Sauron’s messenger; Boromir on his dream;the Hobbits and Strider as part of the ’Quest’; Gandalf because of the finding of the One.

Halfir, why call it the One? in my opinion, i would have thought that calling it by this way would be in a way bowing down to it, but as it was still evil, and corputed Men’s hearts, i wouldnt call i the One as such. In my opinion, it gives the Ring to much statuary right, if you know what i mean.

i understand that it could have been called the One Ring, not the One. what was the difference, Halfir? maybe the Ring was the only thing of its kind, because other rings could not corupt people, and neither did they nearly have their own body(spiritually).

Tuna 30/Nov/2006 at 05:42 AM
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Why call it the one? Because, save for the Silmaril that sails in the skies far above and the potential for a Silmaril to be trapped beneath the ground under Middle-earth, the One Ring is the most powerful artifact in existance during the 2nd and 3rd Ages. If nothing else, it feels natural to recognize it as the One by noting both that it is the only one of it’s kind, for none were left in Middle-earth with the power to make one as Sauron had, and that it has exceedingly great power.
Kirinki54 30/Nov/2006 at 01:43 PM
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I think if Tolkien allowed the One Ring to be called simply the One (as Gandalf did on several occasions) then halfir must be allowed the same. And of course it was one of its kind, although it was undeniably evil.
Dany 30/Nov/2006 at 03:00 PM
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Not to derail the tangent or anything, but even if someone from Rohan were to be in Rivendell at the same time as the council, and if that someone from Rohan were at the council, what could Rohan offer? I’m not putting Rohan down or anything, but the race of men had already been aptly represented by Boromir and Aragorn; Rohan would have been an unnecessary presence. Besides, if there were to be someone from Rohan to join the Fellowship (because really, once they were there it’d be kind of hard to prevent their joining the Fellowship), there would either be more than nine people (totally not as cool as having nine people to match the number of wraiths) or someone would have had to stay behind (which would alter the course of the story/fate of the ring). So really, it’s probably a good thing nobody from Rohan happened to be in Rivendell.