Do elves wear pyjamas?

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Meriwen 02/Dec/2006 at 08:37 AM
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Or night dresses, or robes, or nothing? It’s a stupid question maybe, but one of the many odd ones my mind breeds; mainly about odd little details. I’m pretty sure Hobbits would have worn those night shirts people in period plays wear, because to me the Shire is like England just before 1750, though that’s a personal view.
Anyway, if anyone can even begin to answer that question...? Possibly not, but I felt like asking.
And please, no-one poke me for bringing crazy questions to BL
KingODuckingham 02/Dec/2006 at 09:20 AM
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*pokes*

As to your question, I would imagine that they would wear night-robes or something of that sort. When Frodo woke up in Rivendell, he is not naked. (I am of course thinking of the books, not the movie scene) The elves have something for him to wear while he is in bed. Of course, it may just have been a courtesy, but somehow I think not. This is of course thinking of elves when they are not doing something like your SCR, staying out on military duty, in which case they no doubt simply sleep in their clothes.
Meriwen 02/Dec/2006 at 12:10 PM
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Good answer - what d’you think about orcs? (What do you think your SCR would slip into after a hard day’s marauding?  )  I don’t think they would, but the idea of an Uruk in pink boxers is entertaining....
Another question, did they brush their teeth? Orcs obviously not, but all the elves have pretty smiles, yet the idea of Middle Earthean Colgate.....?
Talaika Bréodan 02/Dec/2006 at 02:26 PM
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While the movie-Legolas is an action hero; one of the things I remeber best from the books is this passage:

Only Legolas still stepped as lightly as ever, his feet hardly seemed to press the grass, leaving no footprints as he passed; but in the waybread of the Elves he found all the sustenance he needed, and he could sleep, if sleep it could be called by Men, resting his mind in the strange paths of elvish dreams, even as he walked open-eyed in the light of this world." (The Two Towers - The Riders of Rohan)

So the first question to ask oneself is whether the elves laid down and slept at all? Because if they did not; if they "slept" while walking open-eyed; then wearing a night-dress would seem rather odd. Unless they wanted to let others know that they were doing this kind of sleep.
On the other hand, if there are beds in Rivendell (at least one that Frodo sleeps in), would it not be safe to assume that they sometimes laid down to rest? Perhaps it just didn’t happen that often - like once every 100 years.
I dimly seem to remeber the elves in The Hobbit falling asleep (after drinking too much wine) though; and then the question is if we can use that as an argument that Elves did sleep, in the sence mankind understands it, since some creatures seemed to have developed from The Hobbit to LotR.

Continuing on to orcs; I tend to believe that they would really just stick with whatever clothes they had. It does not sound like personal style and hygiene mattered much to them. Question is also though; if they are a twisted breed of elves, do they sleep in a human sense then?

I hope I did not spoil you wonderings... this is just my addition to it.

 

Elvenking100 02/Dec/2006 at 02:34 PM
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I am pretty sure that elves do sleep since in the Silmarillion they say more than a few times about elves sleeping but nothing about what they sleep in pajamas
KingODuckingham 02/Dec/2006 at 03:19 PM
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I agree with Talaika on the second question. Somehow I doubt orcs ever bothered changing their clothes at all until they fell apart and became unusable.

As to whether or not elves slept, I think they would. The key phrase, to me, in that passage Talaika (nice name) quoted is this: in the waybread of the Elves he found all the sustenance he needed. Normally he wouldn’t be able to pursue such a state of quasi-sleep, but in lembas he finds his sustenance.

Also, Tolkien in HoME actually had it so that orcs were not twisted elves, so I think they would certainly sleep in the human sense, especially if elves do need sleep.

The question of brushing teeth is another interesting one: I would think again that orcs would take no sort of care of that sort of thing. If they did anything to their teeth I would imagine they would file them or something of that sort to make them sharper.   Among the nicer races of ME, I do find it slightly surprising that there is no mention of brushing teeth, at least not in, say, the Shire. There is eating described, and bathing, but not brushing of teeth. That doesn’t mean they didn’t--but perhaps not.
Dragons Malice 02/Dec/2006 at 09:34 PM
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If Elves did’nt sleep, then they would have no need of a bed and therefore they would not have had one for Frodo to wake up in
Arweniel* 03/Dec/2006 at 05:10 AM
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I think Frodo woke up in the elvish version of a hospital room, where they would have sick beds. 

Perhaps elves just rested on the type of chair (I am not even going to attempt to spell it!) that Aragorn rested on when he was woken in the dream by Arwen. 

 I imagine elves as dozing or lightly sleeping whenever they needed it, rather than going to bed or a nights sleep as we do.  So I have a feeling that they don’t wear pj’s, just change their clothes at the start of a new day! 

Sil 03/Dec/2006 at 05:21 AM
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Bria, please never mention the Uruk Hai in pink boxers again. Ever. *g*
geordie 03/Dec/2006 at 05:23 AM
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Perhaps elves just rested on the type of chair (I am not even going to attempt to spell it!) that Aragorn rested on when he was woken in the dream by Arwen

movie stuff in a lore forum? tut-tut.

but of course, Elrond’s home - The Last Homely House - had beds; for guests at least. In ’The Palantir’ Pippin lies awake on the hard ground, trying to remember the last time he slept in ’a real bed; with proper sheets’ ’Rivendell’ answers Merry.

Mithrandír 03/Dec/2006 at 07:00 AM
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but of course, Elrond’s home - The Last Homely House - had beds; for guests at least. In ’The Palantir’ Pippin lies awake on the hard ground, trying to remember the last time he slept in ’a real bed; with proper sheets’ ’Rivendell’ answers Merry.

ah yes, i think that i agree with Geordie on that one. first of all, when Gandalf flies with the Eagles to Mount Doom and finds Frodo and Sam, they come to Rivindell, where Frodo is put on a bed to sleep.In this eppisode, Frodo is shown with some undergarment or some kind of pyjamas that he is wearing.

when Frodo escapes from the Black Riders on the Ford with Glorfindel, he is put into a bed again in Rivindell, while Elrond tends to his wound.

but to your real question, i cannot put anything knew into but what all the others have said.

 

Arweniel* 03/Dec/2006 at 07:33 AM
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Geordie -   movie stuff in a lore forum? tut-tut.

I was not using the movie to reference what I said, just to give an example of the type of furniture that I thought an elf would sleep on, simply because I am too lazy to go and find out how to spell the name of the blasted thing!   

I still don’t think that elves go to bed at night in the same way that we do, but I agree that they must have had beds for visitors to Rivendell.

geordie 03/Dec/2006 at 01:03 PM
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Arweniel -    - when I said ’movie stuff’ I was refering to your quote that Aragorn rested on when he was woken in the dream by Arwen. . This is not in the book; but it is in the movie - hence my note.
Not that it matters much.

BTW - is the couch you’re thinking of called a chaise longue? I’m not sure of the spelling, either.
KingODuckingham 03/Dec/2006 at 01:31 PM
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chaise lounge.
Arweniel* 04/Dec/2006 at 02:09 AM
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That’s the word I was looking for!  Thanks guys - I couldn’t be bothered to go dig out the ol’ dictionary for that one!    But I knew I could count on someone here!   I can definately see tired elves resting themselves on one of those!
goldenhair 04/Dec/2006 at 06:35 AM
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From the Field of Cormallon;
Gimli;
To bed now you go and so shall I.

"And I, said Legolas, ’shall walk in the woods of this fair land, which is rest enough"

So as Taliaka suggests, we know that at least at some times the elves do not need human sleep. But do they ever?

Aside from drunk elves in the Hobbit (which I would set aside as canon for this purpose) do we ever see elves "sleep"(as humans do).
Turabar 04/Dec/2006 at 01:41 PM
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Elves do not actually wear pyjamas, but they must wear something light while sleeping that makes them have a comfortable sleep. Nobody sleeps with his casual clothes.
Nightshade 04/Dec/2006 at 07:21 PM
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Gah, now I will never be able to cleanse my mind from that image of an Uruk in pink boxers!    Now I’m imagining Elrond wearing fuzzy pink baby-style sleeper pajamas, complete with bunny slippers and a blankie slung over his arm, settling in for a good night’s sleep   Ahhh, guess that just means it’s past my bedtime (it’s after 10:00 PM where I live) ...nighty-night! 

Dragons Malice 05/Dec/2006 at 03:46 AM
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Diego - Elrond in bunny slippers, now that is an image that sticks in your head.
Meriwen 05/Dec/2006 at 10:36 AM
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Diego- That’s why I said it o’ course - I’m slowly corrupting the Lore Forums.. & I think the bunny slippers would go beautifully with the pretty red robes, he should have worn them at the Council

That’s an interesting point about the elves not lying down to sleep at all, but if they didn’t would they have the concept of beds for the hobbits? Mm, probably I guess... 
I would have thought they’d need at least some time just to rest, in the human sense, since you can’t just stay active in the waking world whilst ’walking the paths of fair dreams’ (quote from memory=not at all accurate ) If that were right, then they’d probably use beds, of some kind (and therefore a lighter set of clothes?) Though I agree they’d probably need that less than other races, and could draw energy/sustenance from nature  and food. (pertaining to goldenhair’s quotes)

Nan- tathren- I don’t think they go to Rivendell from Mt. Doom , though yeah, I was thinking that. Though I suppose it’s only movie reference.
Meriwen 05/Dec/2006 at 10:37 AM
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Oh yeah, any thoughts on teeth-brushing? Or is that just too silly to ask?
Nenarye 05/Dec/2006 at 03:46 PM
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It’s nearing that line of too silly, Celebrian - , but not quite over it just yet

I don’t know, perhaps the elves would use sticks that were frayed at the end, to make a brush type thing . . . Thats what people used to do in medival times, but perhaps frayed sticks aren’t silly enough

BTW, love the topic!
Nightshade 05/Dec/2006 at 04:13 PM
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Bria~ Well, if that’s what you were going for it worked!    Almost too well...moving on to the toothbrush question now...very few authors of books in which the characters are human mention toothbrushes, or toilets, or a lot of other necessities of life, but we can assume that not all of those characters let their teeth rot out, just as we can assume they make use of the little boy’s or little girl’s room when necessary. 

*re-reads above*  Did I just type that

Nenarye 05/Dec/2006 at 04:26 PM
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Meriwen 06/Dec/2006 at 10:19 AM
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Amelinde- (nice name) ! Ah, you covered my next topic already I see.... (jk) 
Yes of course, but we fill in the blanks and assume the human characters are the same as us, or the same as we were if it’s set in a historic-type setting.  
But it’s nice to ponder whether elves etc would be different, because I don’t think we’re given a lot of detail  about their culture/lifestyle; not in LoTR anyway. Like, before starting this thread, I assumed off-hand that elves just went to bed unless circumstances demanded something else, but now I agree that they’re possibly different.
Naduil 06/Dec/2006 at 11:33 AM
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Well I think that the elves wear robes when they’re in bed. This is a guess. Seeing as all elves are weakish and somewhat femenine they would not wear PJs but more elegant robes. They would probably be a bit like the stuff that the rich Tudors wore when they were in there beds. Who agrees?

(Please dont be offended if you are from lothlorien or are a female, and also I just so happen to like magenta)

Nightshade 06/Dec/2006 at 11:39 AM
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Bria~ Ah, don’t count on the name staying for long-I’m in the mood to change everything these days!    Now, who hasn’t wondered about some of this stuff?    True enough about the differences between human characters and others, but in (most) books about, say, extraterrestrial life, it seems also to be a basic premise that unless it is either stated differently or the ET critters are extremely different, i.e. not even vaguely humanoid in appearance, those basic functions of life are handled in a similar fashion.  In the case of elves I can see that we have reason to believe that at least sleep was another matter for them, so naturally that gives rise to some...interesting...speculation on the other topics as well.  How’s that for discussing the subject in an appropriately circumspect manner...? 

Meriwen 06/Dec/2006 at 02:52 PM
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Naduil- Weak and feminine?! Bah, *would like to see you fight one..*  Sorry, no, I do see what you’re saying, perhaps something a bit more, eh, floaty and natural than pyjamas.
Amelinde (Oh well, we’ll see I guess) -  Ah, you outstripped me... Hehe, actually, new discussion: Does ET wear pyjamas/brush his teeth? Actually, if this wasn’t LoTRplaza that would also be worth specualation, but I won’t go there for fear of someone thwapping me very soon, lol
Insomniac 06/Dec/2006 at 08:54 PM
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 of course orcs take off their armor, we obviously dont wanna poke holes into our unbelievably comfortable rocks. And to the pink boxers question, they arent pink, no sir. They lavender. And as to the elves sleeping in pajamas, i believe they do, and its prolly in some heavenly linen or silk or some other luxurious fabricy fabric with their elvey elveshness. I do hope thats cleared you up some. *pink my minion butt*
KingODuckingham 06/Dec/2006 at 09:18 PM
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To try and get this back on a slightly more lore-ish note...
Nad: Seeing as all elves are weakish and somewhat feminine Oh really? Check this quote out:

"And he[Fingolfin] and his host wandered long in misery, but their valour and endurance grew with hardship; for they were a mighty people, the elder children undying of Eru Illuvatar,, but new-come from the Blessed Realm, and not weary with the weariness of Earth."~The Silmarillion, Of the Flight of the Noldor (my emphasis)

Elves are anything but weak. Here they dare one of the greatest journeys in the history of ME, and most survive. And note this as well:

"In those days Elves and Men were of like stature and strength of body, but the Elves had greater wisdom, and skill, and beauty; and those who had dwelt in Valinor and looked upon the Powers as much surpassed the Dark Elves in these things as they in turn surpassed the people of mortal race."~The Sil, Of Men

Don’t get yourself confused by the stereotypes of the movies. Elves are anything but feminine and weak. In fact they are tougher than mortal men, if anything!
Naduil 07/Dec/2006 at 09:45 AM
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Fair enough. In fact yesterday when I was on I went to check out the elves of lothlorien kingdom, having thought it over a bit I’m wondering, does anyone know how to change to the elves from the wizards? At first I was going to join the elves but I couldn’t decide which group to join so I went for the wizards. Now that I have met some they seem to (Celebrian Green take notice) have a good sense of humour maybe  moreso than the wizards plus they have a deep IC thing going on in their kingdom. So again if anyone who reads this knows how to change could they please post it up?
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Oromandin 07/Dec/2006 at 08:13 PM
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I think that elves had nightgowns and beds. Elves do not need sleep like men do but they do need rest. so having beds or chairs or any other type of resting item was probably very helpful and also relaxing for the elves!
Naduil 08/Dec/2006 at 12:09 PM
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I reckon you might be pretty much right there Oro.

DeluhatholSilverleaf 08/Dec/2006 at 12:16 PM
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Elves DONT sleep...they can go without, instead they rested, perhaps i think in whatever position they are in, standing, sitting etc, therefore the need for night-garments, pyjamas ((lol) or gowns or whatever, would be quite un-needed!!
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they might not need them but wats to stop them wanting them ?

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DeluhatholSilverleaf 08/Dec/2006 at 12:29 PM
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WW the fact that they dont need them!

witwalking 08/Dec/2006 at 12:43 PM
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Deluh i understand wat u say about not needing them but maybe just maybe one might wish to own something of that nature, i mean like nobody but the elves themselves know wat goes on it their minds they may know they dont need but could still want just so they can say they do.

its like i dont need a bag of peanuts that dont stop me from wanting a bag does it

i am aware the peanuts thing is off topic but i wrote it as a way of putting across my view

DeluhatholSilverleaf 08/Dec/2006 at 12:57 PM
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WW I get what your saying. Though as you say,  one might prefer something of the sort, Elves are concious, i believe, (in a sense) while they are "sleeping" and hence may not actually need something to change into to rest...though ofcourse if they were clad in armour or were injured they, perhaps, may consider something of the sort...
Naduil 09/Dec/2006 at 05:36 AM
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O.K. The elves can do without rest for a long time but they are NOT tireless. At some point the elves are going to have to get some sleep, admittedly they may be able to go for days or maybe even weeks without but in the end without any sleep they would die of exhaustion. They mat be tougher than men but they aren’t invincible they die like all the other creatures of middle-earth, and if they die like them then surely they tire like them too.
DeluhatholSilverleaf 09/Dec/2006 at 08:24 AM
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Naduil, Tolkein has stated thatt Elves DO NOT SLEEP... it in the books...theres a qoute somewhere in FoTR, which says that Legolas did not sleep, he actually could walk abt fully concious while "sleeping"......I will have a look through FoTR and try finding that qioute for you...
DeluhatholSilverleaf 09/Dec/2006 at 08:32 AM
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Darn! it was in TT : Here’s the qoute:

"....and he could sleep, if sleep it could be called by Men, resting his mind in the strange paths of elvish dreams, even as he walked open-eyed in the light of this world."
(The Two Towers - The Riders of Rohan)"

So, there you have it Naduil....
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they may be able to do without sleep for a long time but they still might want to get comfortable also in the first movi galdrial was wearing a dress that looked like a night gown so they may not sleep but they stay up and watch over their visitors or their prisoners so they would want to get comfortable even if they dont sleep in their pajamas.
DeluhatholSilverleaf 09/Dec/2006 at 08:55 AM
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elvenboy20 Im afraid your reference to Galadriel gown cannot be accepted, because We discuss only the books in BLore Fora...also they dont just do without sleep for long times, they dont do it at all...qoute above...also you might want to consider that elves are comfortably dressed allmost always, since they wear robes and such....except when they are attired for war...

Naduil 09/Dec/2006 at 12:52 PM
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 Legolas was dreaming, not sleeping there is a difference he could have ’dreamed’ without having ’slept’. It’s kind of like when you wake up you can carry on a dream in the same state but be aware of the area around you. I know this to be right because I have done it. So to you.
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Naduil I repeat : " if sleep it could be called by Men, resting his mind in the strange paths of elvish dreams, even as he walked open-eyed in the light of this world"

Perhaps you should pay more attention...so ..back to you, and no offence meant!
Ciryatan Cirdan 09/Dec/2006 at 01:51 PM
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I would say that the Elves who saw Valinor, never needed sleep in hole their lives again. Caus of the fact that they would be in Valinor in their dreams and whenever they rested or yust looked at the sky would remember Valinor and stayed blessed through the thinking of the Vala and their lands. 

Naduil: what you say about Elves that would die if they didn’t had sleep: I don’t think they could die through that, as known Elves were almost indestructable. Only through very big wounds by the vital organs, I guess, they could be killed. I say this because Elves would live till the end of Arda, they get older in years and knowledge but not in appearance and body, but humans have shorter lives and die when they are old, their body’s get tirred and die. This you can’t say about the Elves so I would say that they don’t sleep in the actuall meaning of the word but as others mentioned before me: are resting in dreams that humans can’t explain.

So I don’t think Elves had sleeping gowns.But maybye they had that sort of bed to rest on.

(I love the idea of Elrond in bunny pyjama’s, and an Uruk in pink trousers would be even more funny If anyone can please make a drawing of it, I loved to see)

Naduil 09/Dec/2006 at 10:14 PM
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Delu - Sleep it COULD be called by men. I think that implies that it is similiar to sleep but not actually sleep, and also you rest your mind when you dream so my earlier comment is still valid. No offence taken at any point.

Ciry - It’s true that we don’t actually have records (or at least not ones that I know of *cough cough*) of elves dieing from exhaustion, so I guess what you’re saying has some truth to it. However if you gave an elf few rations and told him to walk over every spot of land in middle-earth twenty times without sleep I’d say that it’s quite possible that you’d be looking at one dead elfie.

Meriwen 10/Dec/2006 at 10:15 AM
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Was it stated specifically that they don’t sleep? or only that they do it differently? I remember that passage describing how Legolas ’slept’ whilst active, but circumstances demanded it,  did they not? It doesn’t mean if he wasn’t safe at home, he wouldn’t have lain down etc
Human sleep is essentially resting the mind - which is what Tolkien said Legolas did- since sleeping is different to lying down but staying awake for 8 hours (and believe me, I do that a lot at the moment) so...?
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Naduil 10/Dec/2006 at 10:37 AM
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Cele and Cery (I guess) - He rested his mind but it can’t be the same as the way we do it surely? I think that what he did was meditation that he had taught himself, which relaxed his mind so he gained the mental benefits of sleep, but not the physical ones so what Legolas did can’t actually be called sleep. (Cele - I’ll try to get that ranger training post No.2 up as soon as possible ).

Meriwen 10/Dec/2006 at 12:18 PM
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Mm, well, no of course not in our terms, but it said he slept after the manner of the elves, which by analysing the construction of that sentence meanss he slept but in a different way. Are really physical benefits of sleep that you can’t get from lying down? It’s about losing consciousness. People sleepwalking are still sleeping, and still would be if they for some reason went jogging  (Great, I look forward to working with your character very much, O Naduil The Mighty )
This discussion has gone on so strangely... wow, I didn’t think it’d last onto a second page.
Naduil 11/Dec/2006 at 10:18 AM
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Lol. I thought that it wouldn’t make it either (no offence) and as to the sleepwalking thing that’s the only thing thats really managed to throw me off my feet so to speak. And how exactly did we get here hang on *goes back and reads page 1* Oh yes. I blame Delu. I’m still confused how I got from arguing that they do sleep to arguing that they don’t. Anyway I think they do so we don’t need to argue anymore. (A mention of the fifth task when I get there, you can play the npc elf I made up for my second task if you like).
DeluhatholSilverleaf 11/Dec/2006 at 10:25 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Naduil on Saturday, December 09, 2006

Delu - Sleep it COULD be called by men. I think that implies that it is similiar to sleep but not actually sleep,

DeluhatholSilverleaf 11/Dec/2006 at 10:27 AM
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ooops....can some one combine these two posts? Phil?

Naduil, isnt this exactly wat i was trying to convince YOU sbout???
Naduil 11/Dec/2006 at 11:15 AM
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*confusded*
Meriwen 11/Dec/2006 at 11:54 AM
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Ok, well, a new question if you’re tiring of the sleep issue:
 What about entertainment? Singing, archery and duelling, I’d suppose would be some pass times, any other ideas? The Bria-esque question I suppose, is: Did elves play snakes and ladders?
An original idea Naduil, bit elaborate, but very interesting *g*
Naduil 11/Dec/2006 at 12:33 PM
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probably they didn’t they were more refined than that. Cele - I try.
Meriwen 11/Dec/2006 at 12:39 PM
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In the same way that they didn’t way pyjamas obviously, possibly something more like chess, but anything else? Hobbits etc? is the broader question.
Naduil 11/Dec/2006 at 11:47 PM
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Hmmm this thread has turned out far better than I thought it would. They probably played Draughts (I think that’s how it’s spelt) as it came before chess (I think) but they might have played chess as well. (*crosses fingers and repeatedly says, "let my third task pass, let my third task pass." then considers bribing trainer with pointy wizard hat but decides it loves hat too much)

Meriwen 12/Dec/2006 at 09:30 AM
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Draughts... yes, probably, or something similar anyways. Mm, I don’t like that question actually, change it to: Do you think they had art? As in, pretty paintings of sunflowers/screaming people type art? Because, in my image of hobbits as pre-Industrial revolution English people, they should have had real art around for ages. And elves... in the movies, *Valar forbid I should pay reference to them in BL* there was sculpture as part of their architecture, and that frescoe of Sauron and Isildur, but what do we think of that in the books & lore realm?
Naduil- *raises eyebrow* Keep insinuating that my original thread idea was crap and I might just blacklist you, pointy hat or none, mate.  (Don’t worry, I think you’re through, do you want me to ask you what the heck you’re doing in Lothlorien so it can lead into a nice task 4?)
Naduil 12/Dec/2006 at 09:39 AM
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I think that tapestrieswould reflect their culture pretty well as they take a long time and can look stunning, if they’re done properly they have the outstanding effect as well as the clever subtelty that the elves love. (yeah if you don’t mind, I’ll post a basic history but my main history will be in the "5 Dragons of Numenor" thread in the RPG forum)

Nenarye 12/Dec/2006 at 10:02 AM
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Celebrain - I’m sure that elves had art, art that actually had some kind of symbolic significance, or significance to their lore, just like all cultures (at least in the real world, not Tolkien’s) had. Art is a great way to preserve history and lore, whithout having to remember all your history, using oral traditions.

Naduil - I’m going to give you an extremly in depth answer: Yes, I agree.
Naduil 12/Dec/2006 at 10:23 AM
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Nenarye! I haven’t seen you around for ages. I hope to see you in Orthanc again soon. ("while gandalfs away....")
Naduil 15/Dec/2006 at 11:20 AM
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Come on people POST!
Arien Ellariel 16/Dec/2006 at 08:19 PM
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I never really thought about it but I suppose that elves could have worn pjs (even though it’s said they really don’t sleep like people do...) but I would picture them more in robes of a light flowing fabric, something semi-sheer maybe. I mean, they have to relax sometimes, and getting in some nice comfy clothes is the best way! BTW, that statement about Uruk Hai in pink boxers was awesome! I really think they do sleep that way.

And I think Elrond should wear some red silk pajamas with his pink fuzzy bunny slippers and one of those things people wear over their eyes to block out the light.

Meriwen 17/Dec/2006 at 08:51 AM
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Hmm, Legolas in a diaphonous robe? Something most fan girls would think about... Sorry, anyway, yes, i think I agree with your view frodobaggins : )
I like the idea of the tapestries, I hadn’t actually thought of those, but yes that sounds like something they’d have, especially when they had skill in weaving amazingly.



Ciryatan Cirdan 19/Dec/2006 at 04:33 AM
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Oh great, thx

Elves don’t need sleep even when they need to run 20 times over whole Arda. Did you forget that the dead was a present for the human race so they didn’t had to stay on Arda and could forget the problems there.The only Elvens that really died where the half-elvens that chose to be mortal. They could die like every other human, and through the same things as humans do.

So I still think Elves don’t need real sleep. So they don’t need sleepingwear.