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Aikanár 03/Dec/2006 at 06:30 PM
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I was jsut wondering if Tolkien ever drew even a few simple maps of Moria, as it’s a little confusing, though it seems quite interresting. I just can’t get over  how it says "21st hall, north end" because that obviously means that there are alot more halls of equal or greater size in Moria, though I suppose that it’s pretty big.

Vugar 03/Dec/2006 at 06:50 PM
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Well, I cannot recall off the top of my head of any drawings that depict those areas of Moria that were drawn by Tolkien.  I do recall drawings of the pages of the Book of Mazarbul and the West-gate.  However, I do know of several maps of Moria that can be found in The Atlas of Middle-earth by Karen Wynn Fonstad.  It would help in giving you some sense of what Moria may have looked like.
Deagol77 04/Dec/2006 at 05:11 PM
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Sweet! I thought there weren’t any maps of Moria! That kind of information is really useful for giving us dwarves a bearing on where we are! By all of the posts I have read, Atlas of Middle Earth sounds like the most useful resource on the geography of Middle Earth.

Vugar 04/Dec/2006 at 06:19 PM
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Deagol77, It is indeed a great resource for any Tolkien fan.  It helped me get a realistic picture in my head of how everything was situated in location and distance.  The author put a great amount of hard work and research into the Atlas.  For instance, Fonstad was allowed access to Tolkien’s original papers at Marquette University.  It is very accurate and based almost exclusively on the lore of the books.  I believe Christopher Tolkien even deemed it more accurate in certain instances than the maps that can be found in the back of the Lord of the Rings.  I would definitely recommend it.
Aikanár 05/Dec/2006 at 05:58 PM
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Yes, but is there anywhere where I can find a discription of the Mines of Moria? Or even like a narrative based therein? Because I would really like to get a better idea of what it was really like. It just seems too big to be populated. Does anyone know how long it took to build?
Tenharien Calmcacil 05/Dec/2006 at 07:44 PM
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I think im gonna look at that site too, because i love maps and id love to see more of tolkiens wroks in that area. Christopher has done some good work and think hi efforts should be applauded.
Harlondir Helcaraxë 06/Dec/2006 at 06:33 AM
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I don’t think it was too big to be populated. There were many Dwarves in the Second Age. Moreover, I think they had many rooms for storing food and things like that. All Dwarves must have had ample space to live. I think it was only as big as forty miles from one gate to the other.
Aikanár 06/Dec/2006 at 06:00 PM
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Forty miles is still pretty big, though I suppose that the western parts were not as populated as the east, because it’s in the east that all the halls were in. Also, I presume that the mines themselves were in the bottom of the Mines of Moria, since no one would want to live that far below ground level.
Durin of Moria 06/Dec/2006 at 07:03 PM
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I don’t think there’s any need for the map of Moria. We just need to know that it is a long passage from the west-gate to the east-gate with lots of rooms by the side of this passage.
elvenboy20 09/Dec/2006 at 09:02 AM
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I like the minds of moria it seens like a fun place gloomy but fun it would have been awesome to see all of the dwarves in the city in moria it would have looked neat and that would have been funny to see girl dwarves and children dwarves becase the kids probaly had beards and the girls to

Vugar 09/Dec/2006 at 09:34 AM
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elvenboy20, Indeed, Dwarven children would have had beards just like the adults.  In fact, Dwarves are possessed of beards from the beginning of their lives.

"For the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike; nor indeed can their womenkind be discerned by those of other race, be it in feature or in gait or in voice" (Of the Naugrim and the Edain: Concerning the Dwarves, HoMe XI: War of the Jewels)

elendil88 11/Dec/2006 at 08:37 AM
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i think that the mines of moria are so embedded with history and magic beyond anyones imagination yet i dont think anyone, not even Tolkein knows just how much magic and aura there is with that place. sometimes i think it is on a par with Rivindell and such like. Tolkien is such a master at creating this place.
aclj 11/Dec/2006 at 03:43 PM
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To map the Halls of Moria would probably take a lifetime to create.  Tolkein portrays the vast area to be purely a masterpiece of architecture.  Before the appearance of Durin’s Bane, I bet the Halls would be almost as splendid to behold as the valleys of Rivendell would have been to behold.  I imagine the Elvish city to be on a par with the landscapes of Ireland or possibly New Zealand, but the Halls of Moria would have to resemble the spectacular Glen Canyons on the borders of Utah and Arizona.  Peter Jackson did a good representation of the mines in the "Fellowship."
elendil88 12/Dec/2006 at 12:29 PM
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I completely agree with you aclj. Pete Jackson certainly had the right idea about the mines, boy what a good job he did too.  I would just love to go the scence in New Zealand where they created the mines, even though the set wouldnt be there. i would love to be in the pictures of the mine as drawn by John Howe and Alan whats his face, i forget.

Aikanár 13/Dec/2006 at 06:27 PM
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Now now, Please don’t get too far off topic. I’d like to know all about the mines. There must be some source of information other than the two chapters in FotR. Isn’t there something in one of the HoME books??
Mirkwoodworker 13/Dec/2006 at 09:12 PM
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Aikanár: There is a chapter, "Of Dwarves and Men," in The Peoples of Middle-earth, HoMe XII, which has some more background material on the Longbeards (Durin’s Folk) and Khazad-dum. There aren’t any more descriptions of Moria itself, unfortunately.
geordie 15/Dec/2006 at 09:29 AM
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Now now, Please don’t get too far off topic. I’d like to know all about the mines. There must be some source of information other than the two chapters in FotR.

Why?    As far as I know, Tolkien tells us all we need to know in LotR. That’s about it, really.