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Morbaruk 06/Dec/2006 at 07:26 AM
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Does the Mines of Moria have any relationship with the bìble`s moriah? Just asking, I don’t think it has, just asking for other opinions.
Laielinwen 06/Dec/2006 at 07:33 AM
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Yes Morbaruk it does! The first five letters.  That is about it though.
Nenarye 06/Dec/2006 at 08:32 AM
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Endril 06/Dec/2006 at 12:24 PM
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 Laielin, playing jokes on the new ones? Morbaruk: What is the Moriah in the Bible. I don’t knowwhat it is so it’ll be nice to tell us first then we shouls see if it does have a link to the one in the Bible. It might be interesting and btw you made me curious of what that meens lol
Stiffler Vaneyar 06/Dec/2006 at 12:45 PM
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Moriah in the Bible is where two major events take place. One is the almost sacrifice of Jacobs son Isaac, and the other is that this is where the God of King David of Israel appeared to him, and also where King David’s son built the Temple.

Unfortunately, no, I don’t see any resemblance of it except that they are both parts of Mountains and they are both spelled with ’moria’.  There is also no relation in how it is translated. As Moriah is translated, ’land of the Temple service’. Sorry, nice thought, but it doesn’t work.

Ygdrazill 06/Dec/2006 at 01:06 PM
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The possibility of they being related is sort of slim i guess  Tolkien did come up with his names by him self, and put down alot of weight on them and you sure do notice it when ou are reading.

Hahah btw, just read through out the chapter when the ring is destroyed for the x:th number of times. It never stopes to amaze me how you can wright such litterature. Unbelivable how i get touched allmost to the tears every single time i reread it

Stiffler Vaneyar 06/Dec/2006 at 01:13 PM
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Well, you can’t really say that he made all of the names on his own. He loved languages, and a lot of his names actually come from Old Norse legends of dwarfs and wizards and stuff. In fact, you can find most of the dwarf names from the Hobbit in one story from Old Norse legend (I had written about it in the Library, but the article is being reviewed now, so I can’t get you a link). Tolkien didn’t really make up his own names, he just related ME to our world so that he could have an excuse to use names from our world legends and histories. (okay, maybe not an excuse, but it helps him find names).
Laielinwen 06/Dec/2006 at 01:21 PM
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Who me?  
Good to see you Legolas!
Mt. Moriah was a pretty cool place and very significant in the Bible,  but it isn’t Moria or anything like it.
Morbaruk  I hope my random sense of humor didn’t offend. *hugs* Welcome to the Plaza!
Ygdrazill... bless you! The sobbing should only get worse if you keep reading! Does for me!

Geirve 07/Dec/2006 at 01:39 AM
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Stiffler, Tolkien made himself vast majority of the names. There are some excetions, mostly those which were not inteded to be part of ME to start with (like Dwarf-names in "The Hobbit"), but where in "our world legends and histories" you have Elrond, Galadriel, Aragorn, Lórien, Valinor, etc, etc...

As for Moria, Morbaruk is not the first to wonder about it. What Tolkien said about it is the following:

"As for the ’land of Morīah’ (note stress): that has no connexion (even externally) whatsoever. Internally there is no conceivable connexion between the mining of Dwarves, and the story of Abraham. I utterly repudiate any such significances and symbolisms. My mind does not work that way; and (in my view) you are led astray by a purely fortuitous similarity, more obvious in spelling than speech, which cannot be justified from the real intended significance of my story.
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As is the case with Moria. In fact this first appeared in The Hobbit chap. 1. It was there, as I remember, a casual ’echo’ of Soria Moria Castle in one of the Scandinavian tales translated by Dasent. (The tale had no interest for me: I had already forgotten it and have never since looked at it. It was thus merely the source of the sound-sequence moria, which might have been found or composed elsewhere.) I liked the sound-sequence; it alliterated with ’mines’, and it connected itself with the MOR element in my linguistic construction." (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, #297)
Laielinwen 07/Dec/2006 at 02:17 AM
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Geir
Morbaruk 07/Dec/2006 at 10:23 AM
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Excellent Geir, only a dwarf could answer me. I really didn`t expect to find a relationship, and I didn`t want to, specially if it`s a bible stuff.
Stiffler Vaneyar 07/Dec/2006 at 11:54 AM
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Well, unfortunately I don’t have any of his letters, so good job, Geir!