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Blade of Narsil 11/Dec/2006 at 04:07 PM
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we all know that when the fellowship went into moria the doors behind them were destroyed.  So how did gollum get inside after the fellwship.  he could of have got in the way rhe fellowship left but that would take days and it just wouldn’t add up realy *what do you lot thik, if you know why please let me know because this has got me thinknig for many of years
Vugar 11/Dec/2006 at 07:08 PM
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Gollum never had to deal with the problem of getting inside, his thoughts no doubt would have been on the matter of getting outside.  Gollum had spent roughly about six months inside Moria, near the West-gate with nowhere to go.

"August - All trace of Gollum is lost. It is thought that at about this time, being hunted by both the Elves and Sauron’s servants, he took refuge in Moria; but when he had at last discovered the way to the West-gate he could not get out." (The Tale of Years, Appendix B)

Gollum’s escape from Northern Mirkwood is the event described in that quote.  The August mentioned would be of the year T.A. 3018.  The Fellowship would arrive at the West-gate past dusk on January 13, T.A. 3019.  He was able to finally find his way out of Moria by following the Fellowship.

aclj 12/Dec/2006 at 02:35 PM
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As an extra info... Gollum was stuck  in the mines of Moria after going through a lot of trouble of his own.  As it all started with Bilbo finding (or rather ’stealing’ ) the Ring under the Misty Mountains.  Gollum’s painful longing to reclaim his ’Precious’ eventually drove him out of the Mountains and into the East, where he passed the Emun Muyll cliffs, the Dead Marshes, and the path of Cerith Ungol.  He eventually was caught by Sauron’s forces, spilt some convinving information about the Shire, and in the end escaped.  Yet, Aragorn captured him in the Marshes and imprisoned him deep inside Mirkwood (I think that’s right).  But, an attack by Sauron on the forest gave Gollum a means of escape, and he fled back to the Misty Mountains and ended up trapping himself within the realm of Moria.

Funny... he did a complete circle in his adventure.    

Durin of Moria 12/Dec/2006 at 08:48 PM
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After Gollum was released from Mordor, he decided to go to the Shire to find the Baggins and he went into Moria through the East Gate, the Gate which the Fellowship left Moria. He went the West Gate but couldn’t get out, so he stayed near the the West Gate. When the fellowship enetered Moria throught he West Gate, he started to follow the fellowship.
malren 12/Dec/2006 at 09:36 PM
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Maybe it’s me but the idea of Gollum being locked in Moria, reaching the West Gate, and not being able to get out is kind of humerous. Gollum: "What? You must be kidding us, Preciousss. We come all this waysss for nothing! Curses, Precious!"

But I didn’t know about the trapped thing. That is really interesting. Lets here it for Appendicies!

Kaulargorn 13/Dec/2006 at 04:34 AM
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As you all said,gollum was already inside Moria when the fellowship entered but how did goblins and orcgs get inside?I suppose that some secret passages could exist in these mountains that only goblins who lived in caves and of course the gollum which was wandering all over these rocks for a long time were aware of.Or did goblins live inside the mountain before the arrival of dwarves?
Llillia 13/Dec/2006 at 04:54 AM
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I’m sure someone more learned than I am could explain this more clearly but as I understand it, the dwarves abandoned Moria for whatever reason. When Balin et al went back to reclaim it [about 60 years before the fellowship went through, if I remember correctly], they had to clear it of the orcs and/or goblins that had taken over in their absence. They were unable to do this and so the orcs were left to live there in [relative] peace.
Alcarináro 13/Dec/2006 at 05:09 AM
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’Whatever reason’, Llillia, would have been the Balrog that killed their king, then their next king, and a great deal of other Dwarves before their entire race fled in fear.

Kaulargorn, the Orcs would have entered through the East Gate. Save for a few accounts of invasions, there are no Orcs west of the Misty Mountains. When the Fellowship leaves, the East Gate is broken. Either the Orcs passed through its open doors when they arrived circa 2480 of the Third Age, or they broke them.
Kaulargorn 13/Dec/2006 at 07:01 AM
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To Elenhir: I remember the Eastern gate is destroyed by the Watcher but it is sealed and the fellowship can’t get out. I you don’t mind could you tell me what you mean ’the orcs got inside from the East Gate which is broken"?
Alcarináro 13/Dec/2006 at 07:26 AM
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The Fellowship travels from the west to the east. That was the West Gate, and it was not broken by the Watcher (movie nonsense), but slammed shut, and then the trees to the side of the door ripped out and with boulders placed against the door, blocking it from opening. The East Gate, as I said in my previous post, is where the Fellowship leaves Moria. It was broken open.
Kaulargorn 13/Dec/2006 at 07:31 AM
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Of course, I thought the fellowship entered from the East.Good point Elenhir
aclj 13/Dec/2006 at 03:41 PM
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To Kaulagorn’s statement earlier, the Dwarves have had to contend with orcs and goblins for years and years.  In the Hobbit, the goblins had apparantly made themselves at home within the Misty Mountains (which is where Moria is).   After Durin’s Bane drove the Dwarves out, the orc population seemed to reproduce like rabbits, but I imagine the goblins were already more aquainted with the mountains as long or maybe even longer than the Dwarves were. 

Vugar 13/Dec/2006 at 04:01 PM
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aclj, Forgive me if I have misread your post, but Orcs and Goblins are one in the same.  The terms are simply different names that refer to the same race.  Tolkien added an introductory note to later editions of the Hobbit that addressed this issue.

Orc is not an English word. It occurs in one or two places but is usually translated goblin (or hobgoblin for the larger kinds). Orc is the hobbits’ form of the name given at that time to these creatures.

Alcarináro 13/Dec/2006 at 05:56 PM
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aclj, Orcs were introduced into the Misty Mountains circa 2480 of the Third Age. The Dwarves were driven out of Moria by the Balrog in 1981 of the Third Age. There were no Goblins in the Misty Mountains, including Moria, for 500 years after the Dwarves deserted Khazad-dum. So no, the Orcs did not have knowledge of those mountains as long as the Dwarves had, and the removal of the Dwarves from Moria by the Balrog had no influence on the matters involving Goblins until hundreds of years after the event happened.
Oin 15/Dec/2006 at 11:13 AM
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Elenhir: There were no Goblins in the Misty Mountains, including Moria, for 500 years after the Dwarves deserted Khazad-dum.

That is incorrect:

"The Second Age had reached only the middle of its course (c. Second Age 1695) when he invaded Eriador and destroyed Eregion, and small realm established by the Eldar migrating from the ruin of Beleriand that had formed and alliance also with the Longbeards of Moria. This marked the end of the Alliance of the Longbeards with Men of the North. For though Moria remained impregnable for many centuries, the Orks reinforced and commanded by servants of Sauron invaded the mountains again.  Gundabad was re-taken, the Ered Mithren infested and the communication between Moria and the Iron Hills for a time cut off." (HoME XII: Of Dwarves and Men)

Clearly, Moria was still a kingdom when the Orcs invaded and took control of Gundabad and presumably other parts of the mountains - so the Orcs were in fact present in the mountains prior to the Balrog’s awakening and subsequent victory over the Dwarves.