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Durin of Moria 17/Dec/2006 at 02:25 AM
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I know that the weaker orcs breeded by Sauron that are not suitable for wars and battles will be sent to Nurn to work in Slave Farms. Because the orcs cannot stay under sunlight, Nurn must be dark like as if it was in the night for the orcs to work in them. But how can plants live in a place without sunlight? Even if the orcs are only rearing animals such as sheeps and cows, there are no grass for the animals to eat.
Daywalker 17/Dec/2006 at 02:44 AM
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Durin of Moria - It’s said that southern parts of Mordor was much more better than northern parts of it and that it was beyond the fumes like can be seen from this next quote. Also it does hint that mostly those slaves could be men. Not saying that there was no orcs but maybe like Saruman, Sauron had men in his service to do other things than fighting. 

‘I don’t like the look of things at all,’ said Sam. ‘Pretty hopeless, I call it - saving that where there’s such a lot of folk there must be wells or water, not to mention food. And these are Men not Orcs, or my eyes are all wrong.’

Neither he nor Frodo knew anything of the great slave-worked fields away south in this wide realm, beyond the fumes of the Mountain by the dark sad waters of Lake Núrnen; nor of the great roads that ran away east and south to tributary lands, from which the soldiers of the Tower brought long waggon-trains of goods and booty and fresh slaves.’LotR
geordie 17/Dec/2006 at 02:45 AM
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I know that the weaker orcs breeded by Sauron that are not suitable for wars and battles will be sent to Nurn to work in Slave Farms.

I never heard that. Can you give a quote? The slaves who worked the fields around the inland sea of Nurn were Men, I guess - at any rate, Aragorn Elessar set them free, and gave them the lands around Nurn for themselves.

Mordor - the Black Land - was not always dark; it’s in the same world as the rest of M-e. The only time there was darkness under the sun [that we’re told about] was when Sauron got Mount Doom to belch out smoke to cover his advance against the West. As Tolkien says in one of his letters [on a different subject] days are days in M-e, and miles are miles. And one could say, climate is climate.

[Apart from the vagaries of one or two wizard types, maybe.    ]

geordie 17/Dec/2006 at 02:47 AM
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dash it - Daywalker beat me to it again!
Vugar 17/Dec/2006 at 11:13 AM
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The area that the slaves farmed was most likely fertile.  I believe that would be due to the location of the slave-fields, namely in the Lithlad ash-plain.  To my knowledge, ash makes a very effective mulch and hampers the evaporation of water.  The soil there had to have been highly fertile.

I would support the notion that the slaves about Nurn were Men, if not a significant majority.  The ’tributary lands’ mentioned in the quote provided by Daywalker would include Khand and Harad, and we know they were populated by Men.

Kaulargorn 17/Dec/2006 at 11:59 AM
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As I remember from the book this land is indeed highly fertile, don’t know the reason but I think so. As for the race of the slaves there were definitely men among them, if not only men, cause after the war of the Ring Aragorn granted them freedom. As for the location, it was right next to Gorgoroth wasn’t it?
Vugar 17/Dec/2006 at 03:58 PM
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Kaulargorn, The Sea of Núrnen was in the southeast of Mordor, in close proximity to the Lithlad ash-plain.  The Plateu of Gorgoroth was situated in the northwest and contained such notable features as Orodruin and Sauron’s tower Barad-dûr.
Deagol77 18/Dec/2006 at 12:59 PM
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Yes, Nurn would be extremely fertile, what with all the ash coming out of Mount Doom. I agree that the mountain only belched out smoke when Sauron wanted it to, but what good would that do? It would slow the progress of food, and after a few attacks under its cover, the enemy would start to figure out the pattern that smoke=attack.
Oin 19/Dec/2006 at 02:56 PM
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Deagol: What the smoke did was it hid his armies and his vast preparations for war from his enemies. He had created a semi-permanent smoke cover over most of northern Mordor (if not all of Mordor) to hide his vast armament and rebuilding projects and his extreme militarization from view. This would later backfire on him, as it hid Frodo and Sam from his view when they entered Mordor to destroy the Ring.