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Beowhald13 17/Dec/2006 at 12:08 PM
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why does legolas’ quiver regenerate arrows, in teh movies it seems that way but it the books it seems as though he goes and picks them  up himself. is this simply an anachronism from the book to the movie, or is there actually somehting magical about legolas’ quiver, and why does he switch bows, does he destroy the other one, im me or send me a PM.

Beowhald13 17/Dec/2006 at 12:10 PM
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and also, if you notice, eh changes all his archery paraphenelia, he changes first his bow, which i dont think was such a good move because the other one was pretty awsome, and then he changes his quiver, from his old one to this new peacock one, which im still wondering whether or not it hjas a special power to it, and then he changes his arrows, from normal fishhead ones to ones that rip open and have a new consistency of wood. why is this?
Kinarear 17/Dec/2006 at 01:14 PM
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He gets given a new bow in Lothlorien and not to use it would be rude. In the book as you have all ready stated he reuses arrows, in the movie you don’t see this because that would be random, I’m pretty sure there is nothing particullarly magical about his quiver but don’t ask me why he changes his arrows.

What say you?

Qtpie 17/Dec/2006 at 05:02 PM
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The bow he received in Lothlorien was a gift from Galadriel, and to not use it would be a waste. The bow that Galadriel gave him may have also been better than the one he used in Mirkwood.

’To Legolas she gave a bow such as the Galadhrim used, longer and stouter than the bows of Mirkwood, and strung with a string of elf-hair. With it went a quiver of arrows.’ FoTR: Farewell to Lorien
King Gothmog 17/Dec/2006 at 05:36 PM
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I remember when reading the books that line.  I had the visual image of an old elf bowmaker picking hairs off his head to make his bows, made me laugh.

Morgil 18/Dec/2006 at 03:53 PM
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Tolkien never gives any indication as to the new quiver having any "magical" virtue. As far as Legolas switching arrows, that would have been necessary due to his new bow’s greater length and inferred greater draw weight. Arrows are not necessarily interchangeable with all bows. They have to be of proper length and diameter to avoid possible damage and maintain accuracy. Regarding the number of arrows he fires in the films, most quivers are sized to contain about 20 arrows. He is never shown firing more than that.
Alkthoniel 18/Dec/2006 at 03:57 PM
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You never see Legolas picking up his arrows, but hey, you never see anyone going to the toilet either. Just cuz you don’t see it doesn’t mean it don’t happen XD
Morgil 18/Dec/2006 at 05:35 PM
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Alkthoniel...We never see Legolas retrieving his arrows, but Tolkien mentions it.  From TTT,  ch The Departure of Boromir:

"’And I, said Legolas, ’will take all the arows that I can find, for my quiver is empty.’"

And for TTT, ch Helm’s Deep:

"’...I have done better, though now I much grope for spent arrows; all mine are gone.’"

Rapiere Lorde 18/Dec/2006 at 08:38 PM
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Though, the scenes in movies are always changing so perhaps when it switches to Frodo’s point of view, that is when he goes up to the enemy and grabbing his arrows?

Also, if not so, the bow and quiver will be mistaken as magic as he never runs out of arrows. Perhaps Peter Jackson did not notice that flaw and recharged the quiver each time refilling it on scene changes.

In the movie, he is not completely seen yet it should be implied in Helms Deep as what else would he be doing in a battle. His kill count reached 14 there and he kept shooting as well in the battle of Minas Tirith.
Most of the time however he puts his bow aside and uses his elven knives as the enemy comes to close coming the question of how did he use 2 elven knives when he is holding a huge bow?
NegruVoda 19/Dec/2006 at 01:09 AM
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The new bow was a gift fron Lady Galadriel, a mighty galadhrim bow, I don’t think Legolas would have swiched his bow if the new one would have been poorly crafted or is Mirkwood bow was better.
As for the quiver, it was not magical, Legolas’ arrows don’r "respawn" he simply picks up arrows after the fights, be them hs own (as he did after the night ambush of the wargs FTR) or other (like the black fletched orc arrows after Boromir’s death).
I apologise for my nonexistent quotes but I have lent my books to a friend and as such they are not with me now.
Alkthoniel 19/Dec/2006 at 04:49 AM
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I know that Morgil, I was just trying to be funny   Do you lore types always have to be so literal?   Don’t anyone dare prove they did go to the toilet now!

"As the hobbits reached Weathertop, they saw Aragorn heading into the bushes. He exclaimed loudly "Sorry mates, nature calls. I’ll be back in a minute... just make yourselves at home." FotR Chapter 5

Endril 19/Dec/2006 at 11:02 AM
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I like the regeneration thing. I can see what the movies could get you to. No, the arrows are not regenerated even if the rate of shooting them is like 5 arrows / sec in the movie. That is not quite realistic thought. In the books the arrows and bow are normal ones. No regenerating or fast firing.
Tommir 19/Dec/2006 at 12:34 PM
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legolas never runs out f arrows does he its quite convenient, but i guess when uypir killing loads of orcs youd be glad i guess.
Mithrandír 19/Dec/2006 at 02:25 PM
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move this thing to movies.....
Morgil 19/Dec/2006 at 04:02 PM
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Alkthoniel...I was not taking your post literally. I merely added the quotes to provide more information for the thread topic.  <Manwë edit: Don’t address it at me then XD > I mean, let’s face it, movie arrows can be just like movie bullets: nigh inexhaustible.

However, I think your mention of the toilet is very relevant. We all know it happens, but is never shown. But think of the horrors of going potty when hiking without toilet tissue. Maybe while in Lorien the Company picked up some sort of elven virtue to help them in this regard?   

Battlehamster 19/Dec/2006 at 04:36 PM
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Oh good god, please, let’s not go any further into the potty issue.  Though I guess that I can’t complain, since I’m a newcomer to this thread.

Maybe one of the special features of lembas is that it-- no, I am not going to follow this line of thought any further.

I wonder why they have an inexhaustible supply of arrows in the movies.  I’d think that it would add something to have them have to worry about that.

Wilibald Bumble 19/Dec/2006 at 06:12 PM
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Tolkien does not really give any evidence there is "magic" to the bow but remember that for the Elves magic is not magic. They have everyday things they use that other people may think is magic. Such is the bow of Galadhrim that Legolas recived...’To Legolas she gave a bow such as the Galadhrim used, longer and stouter than the bows of Mirkwood, and strung with a string of elf-hair. With it went a quiver of arrows.’ FoTR: Farewell to Lorien 

 

ArgentKnight 28/Dec/2006 at 02:15 AM
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Is the hair itself magical in some way because it’s an elven hair? Like is it just one hair that got plucked off somebody’s head or was it several hairs, or was elf hair a term for a certain type of string, or what? Because normal human hair would snap immediately if you tried to draw it for a bow. So maybe there was some type of enchantment on the hair that made it stronger. Can you imagine brushing hair that was a strong and tough as a bowstring?
Morgil 28/Dec/2006 at 02:33 AM
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ArgentKnight...Welcome to the Plaza. See Wilibald Rumble’s post above yours.  Elven hair did not possess any "magical" attributes, as we might describe such things. As with so many other aspects of Tolkien’s Firstborn race, Elven hair was vastly superior in strength to that of humans. And I assume correspondingly soft and silky. The hair for the string on Legolas’ bow could have been from a single Elf or from several.
eorlinga09 01/Jan/2007 at 09:20 PM
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Again...would you go up to the Lady and say "hey i like my bow better , bite me?" i didn’t think so. creepy mind powers of hers would get to you. the change of bow and quiver were merely a sign of respect to the Lady of the woods....

hey though, does anybody feel like starting a thread about the toilet thing??

MasterofPuppets 01/Jan/2007 at 09:49 PM
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Maybe they used the leaf wrappings of Lembas for...nevermind. It is common knowledge that elves in fact do have a special gland on their backs which secrete arrows. How does the arrow gets from the back to the quiver through all the clothes? Probably some kind of flap in their clothes.
On a serious note, the idea of a regenerating quiver is just a little flaw in the movies since they didnt want to stretch out scenes by showing legolas running around looking for arrows.
Morgil 01/Jan/2007 at 11:35 PM
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MasterofPuppets... Wellll, those certainly would not be re-usable wrappers now, would they?  But seriously, the quotes I provided above cover Tolkien, and as far as the movies, the number of arrows has been covered repeatedly.I believe it was Tinw  who once did a count of the arrows Legolas shoots, and he never gets to 20. Plus there was a still image, from footage that didn’t make it into the movies, that shows extra quivers in one of the boats the Company uses.