Morgoth and Sauron

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Eloymen 17/Dec/2006 at 08:10 PM
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I have a question that I can’t seem to find the answer to anywhere. What does Morgoth look like? I’ve looked in a few places and I’ve never read The Silmarillion so I can’t figure this out by myself. Also, what does Sauron look like in The Third Age? Thank You.
Qtpie 17/Dec/2006 at 08:30 PM
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Welcome Eloymen! Sauron took on a fair form when he was disguised as Annatar, and then took on a terrible form. He had a corporeal form, but I don’t think anywhere in the books where it specifies how Sauron looks like. But Gollum saw that the Dark Lord had nine fingers. This also goes the same for Melko, in saying that nowhere in the books does it really specify how Melko looked like. But I haven’t read all of the HoME, so I may be mistaken.

’There now he brooded in the dark, until he had wrought for himself a new shape; and it was terrible, for his fair semblance had departed for ever when he was cast into the abyss at the drowning of Numenor. The Silmarillion: Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age
ElendilTheFair 17/Dec/2006 at 10:19 PM
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Welcome to the Plaza Eloymen.  I would suggest introducing yourself in the Newbies & Introductions (<<clickable) forum when you get the chance, where you’ll receive a few more proper greetings.

Now as for your initial question, here’s a description of Morgoth as he came forth to fight Fingolfin:

"Therefore Morgoth came, climbing slowly from his subterranean throne, and the rumour of his feet was like thunder underground. And he issued forth clad in black armour; and he stood before the King like a tower, iron-crowned, and his vast shield, sable on-blazoned, cast a shadow over him like a stormcloud." (The Silmarillion, Of the Ruin of Beleriand and the Fall of Fingolfin)

Alcarináro 17/Dec/2006 at 10:39 PM
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One the form of Sauron, after the destruction of Numenor: ’Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic.’ (Letter 246)
This was the form he had when he was slain in the Last Alliance at the end of the Second Age, and this was the form he remade in the Third, save that he became maldigited.
Alcarináro 18/Dec/2006 at 02:52 AM
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That’s not a wise idea, Durin of Moria. Tolkien is not the maker of the images on google search. People who may or may not have read Tolkien’s writings are the makers of those. Especially on a medium such as google, you will find very few people who actually care what Tolkien said in the matter, most inventing to their own fancy.
Lore is not a visual medium, but a literary one.
Kaulargorn 19/Dec/2006 at 02:09 AM
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As an Ainu Melkor could different shapes but after he descended in Angband he lost his ability to change his form, don’t remember why, and he had his gigantic terrible form fort ever on. His weapons were the Grond, hammer of the world, a poison sword and a black spear
Kaos the Gold 19/Dec/2006 at 03:42 AM
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I’ve always thought of morgoth as a very tall and big humanoid, clad in black and with black skin an red eyes.  A bit like a large, very man-like uruk. I agree that it’s a bad idea to look for images, ince they are only the artist’s vision of the text, but it can be intersting, just to see what other people see him as.  I think Tolkien has always been very flexible in his descriptions for his characters, and gives the lead, as it were, a lot of slack for your imagination.  I also think that putting Sauron and Morgoth behind helmets and visors is a good idea, because then it gives them a great big air of mystery.