Men of Numenor

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elendil88 18/Dec/2006 at 12:57 PM
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Who exactly are the men of numenor and when did their race end. Where did they dwell? Are they connected to Gondor and Aragorn and/or the wraiths? As you can see, I havent read up on lore or anything, so I’l just wondering if anyone could enlighten me to their past and suchlike so i can get a general picture because i am interested in them

thanks

 

Deagol77 18/Dec/2006 at 01:12 PM
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I don’t know much about them either, but I do know some stuff. They came over from the west and founded the kingdom of Gondor. Aragorn lived as long as he did because he was of Numenorean descent. All Numenoreans had extended lifespans. They were not connected to the wraiths as far as I know.
Kaulargorn 18/Dec/2006 at 01:35 PM
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They have nothing to do with the wraiths. They were human who were granted this long life expectancy by the Valar because they stayed faithful to them and resisted to Melkor. The first Numenoreans lived almost 400 years and I think they could die whenever they wanted like Aragorn did at the age of 210 years. You can read a lot more in the library of the plaza
Sermela Calalen 18/Dec/2006 at 02:05 PM
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Numenorians were anscestors of Elros the brother of Elrond. When Elros and elrond were given the choice of whether to belong to the race of elves or men Elros chose men resulting in a race of humans that had extended life as Deagol said. Over the years that span shortened as the bloodline became more mingled. At one point Sauron deceived the Numenorians and used their lust for immortality to get them to try and attack Valinor. Their home was destroyed and only a handful of the faithful survived.  
Kaulargorn 18/Dec/2006 at 02:16 PM
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Yeah, that’s right they were deceived and that’s why their land was destroyed and they moved to middle Earth founding the kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor with Elendil to be the first king. He is Aragorn’s ancestor. The story of Numenor and its fall reminds a lot the myth of Atlantis, the lost continent
elendil88 18/Dec/2006 at 02:22 PM
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thanks, that was really helpful and i will get to reading more about them after hearing about that, it sounds really interesting. the information was really helpful and i know where to come in future to ask for guidance, you sure do  know your stuff. is this all located in the books, if not LOTR, then the other books to do with it. thanks again!

Sermela Calalen 18/Dec/2006 at 03:39 PM
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The Silmarillion is a good place to research it.
Tuna 18/Dec/2006 at 03:47 PM
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Melly- I’m guessing it was a mistype, but the Númenoreans were not the ancestors of Elros but rather the descendents of he and others of the faithful.

Elendil88- In Appendix A to LOTR you can find info about the founding and history of Arnor and Gondor, daughter kingdoms of Númenor. Beyond that, The Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales both have stories about Númenor.

Vugar 18/Dec/2006 at 04:34 PM
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elendil88, There is a possible link between the Númenóreans and the Ringwraiths.  The emphasis is on possible.

"Yet Sauron was ever guileful, and it is said that among those whom he ensnared with the Nine Rings three were great lords of Númenórean race." (Akallabêth, The Silmarillion)

So, it was at least a belief that three of the Nazgûl had been lords of the Númenóreans.

Sermela Calalen 18/Dec/2006 at 05:05 PM
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Tuna thanks that was a mistype.
elendil88 02/Jan/2007 at 08:31 AM
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thanks guys, that has been really helpful and i will get right on to reading that appendix. i just needed to know a place to begin but now that that i know i will read with a bit more knowlegde. you guys really know your stuff. someday, soon i hope, i will know as much as you.

another question, were all the ringwraiths past kings or were they just powerfu men who turned bad?

Magradhaid 02/Jan/2007 at 09:58 AM
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>were all the ringwraiths past kings or were they just powerfu men who turned bad?
This has been touched upon in many threads, but the Silmarillion said that they were "kings, sorcerors, and warriors of old", albeit after they started to use their Rings. Letters said that some were evil Númenóreans (Sauronians), and the Silmarillion also says that three were "great lords of Númenórean race"; the Black Númenóreans had attained powerful positions among the Haradrim, but there’s no way to prove that they were "kings", as I was reminded yesterday.