Hobbits, Edain or Numenoreans?

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Durin of Moria 19/Dec/2006 at 11:15 PM
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Are hobbits more akin to Numenoreans or Edain. A average hobbit’s lifespan is around 100 to 120. The Numenoreans’ lifespan is 3 times that of the men of Middle-Earth, which means around 250 to 300 and the edain is around 80 to 100. But the hobbits are neither of the both. Was the long age cause the lifespan to be changed or is the hobbits belongs to the different kind of men? 
Morgil 20/Dec/2006 at 12:29 AM
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Durin of Moria...The Numenoreans were themselves the descendants of the  At the end of the First Age, the survivors of the three houses of the Edain were gathered and given the island of Numenore in recognition of their contributions in the struggle against Morgoth. I’m not aware of Tolkien giving specific information as to Hobbits’ origins.  
elendil elessar 20/Dec/2006 at 04:57 AM
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Well it is said of the Hobbits that they were akin to Men more than to any other races, but has Morgil mentionned they would have nothing at all to do with the Numenoreans, being already present and recorded in ME before the Numenoreans came back to the costs.
Arthur Weasley 20/Dec/2006 at 03:53 PM
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I am mixed up.  I thought that the Hobbits did not even show up until the Third Age, long after the Numenorean exiles showed up.  The King of Arthedain (1600TA) Arveleg II (I think) even granted the Hobbits that land eventually established as the Shire.  The Edain (the three housesfrom the First Age) aided the Elves against Morgoth and Numenor was established as a reward for such sacrifices (and later revoked because of sacriledge).  Thoughts?
Morgil 20/Dec/2006 at 04:59 PM
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Darth Enalan...Hobbits as a race would have had to have been established before 1600 in the Third Age.Appendix B of LotR mentions that around 1050 TA they were "first mentioned in records, with the coming of the Harfoots to Eriador". Appendix A mentions the Stoors. So if the Harfoots and Stoors are mentioned specifically, Hobbits would have been around long enough to divide into specific groups. 

Semantics aside, if there is a connection between Hobbits and the higher race(s) of Men, I would imagine they were closer to the Edain. Possibly some who didn’t migrate to Beleriand in the First Age.   

Ankala Teaweed 20/Dec/2006 at 06:11 PM
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In addition to what Morgil raises, there is also the element of height. The Numenoreans were much taller than other men. Not that that is proof of no connection with hobbits. It seems to me it would be more probable that hobbits split off much earlier, themselves, as did the Numenoreans.
Maiarian Man 21/Dec/2006 at 07:34 AM
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They cant be too strongly conected to the Edai, definitely not to the Numenoreans. The beginnings of the Hobbits lies back in the Elder Days, according to LotR’s Prologue, and this means probably back when men first awoke. But the Hobbits did not venture at all west until the Third Age. The Edain are defined as those men who ventured west in the First Age, shortly after men came into existence. So Hobbits are not among the Edain (though one might suppose that they might have absorbed somthing from the common heritage of of the Edain far back, before the Edain migrated westward).
Dany 21/Dec/2006 at 09:13 AM
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Well, if you’re talking purely in terms of lifetime, then Hobbits would probably be most like Numenorians. However, you can’t only compare the lifespan of two races to determine how similar they are to one another. You have to also look at their nature, their appearance, physical stature, etc. I think, despite Hobbits having a longer lifespan, they are more akin to men.
Battlehamster 21/Dec/2006 at 12:09 PM
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They way I’ve always thought sbout it, though, hobbits really don’t seem to live significantly longer than normal people. I mean, Bilbo at 111 is considered quite old and I think that real world (non-M-e)humans have reached around that. And that could just be attributed to the way smaller subspecies of many animals live longer than their bigger counterparts.
Arvellas 22/Dec/2006 at 07:44 PM
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Battlehamster-That’s a good idea; I know that miniature horses tend to live longer than regular ones.  Perhaps it could work similarly with Men and Hobbits.

I would think that Hobbits would be furthest from the Numenoreans, out of all branches of Men.  When you think about it, they don’t share that many things in common, physically.  Not only is a Numenorean twice as tall as a hobbit, but the Numenoreans seem to have dark hair and gray eyes most of the time, while I believe the Hobbits are described as usually having brown hair.  Some of the Numenoreans (the royal lines, at least) also have Elven and Maian blood, which sets them further apart from other Men.