What other wars were the fiercest battles?

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3RingsforEGG 29/Dec/2006 at 05:07 AM
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Lorien, Mirkwood, the dwarve’s realms?  Not a lot of info on it...anyone can theorize?  and why?

(aside from Gondor, Rohan...which were central stories in the book).


Finellach 29/Dec/2006 at 05:15 AM
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I’d say that the fiercest battle was probably that one between the Orcs and Dwarves at the eastern gates of Moria, in Nanduhirion (Dimrill Dale) somwhere in 2800 (a bit before that) Third Age.

Unless of course you are asking which was the fiercest battle besides the ones in Gondor and Rohan during the events described in the ’Lord of the Rings’.
Son of Huor 29/Dec/2006 at 05:27 AM
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Perhaps you can be a bit more clear as to what period and place you have in mind. That would be helpfull when thinking about the battles. I agree that the war of the Dwarves and Orcs was very brutal, fierce and bloody, perhaps because it was caused by fealings of treachery and hate. Maybe the Sack of Doriath by the dwarves might be a suitable war for your list. Or maybe the raids of the last suns of Feanor. All seemingly needles and very brutal slayings, with a lot of hate and wrath about them.
Morgil 29/Dec/2006 at 05:44 AM
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Like Son of Huor says, perhaps you could be a bit more specific as to time and place? My opinion would be that the six major battles of the Wars of Beleriand would have been likely contenders. When you consider the greater array and number of Morgoth’s greater servants, and his malice towards the children of Illuvatar, the conflicts of the Second and Third Ages might come up short. With the notable exception of the battles between Sauron and the Last Alliance. 
Vugar 29/Dec/2006 at 11:43 AM
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I suppose that you are referencing the Appendices, no? If the time period is limited to the late Third Age, then you have listed a majority of the major battles that took place. As for the why, I believe you answered your own question. The narrative follows the Fellowship and thus the focus is not on the Battles that took place in the North. At least we are not left totally in the dark concerning what took place. Feel free to correct if my post proves to be nothing more than a stab in the dark.
Arthur Weasley 29/Dec/2006 at 12:37 PM
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Actually I agree with Firellach.  The second battle of Dale at the end of the Third Age would have been a vicious battle and the bad guys won!  The Orcs and Easterlings would never take any prisoners.  Son of Huor also cited some good examples.  Why not break this down to the Three ages like this?

In each of the ages, which was the fiercest, most violent battle/war and why?

1st Age - Battle of Numberless/Unnumbered  Tears!  Orcs, Morgoth and Bad Guys everywhere and nobody in Valinor cared about doing anything yet.

2nd Age - Ar-Pharazon encamping his huge Numenorean army on Mt. Tuna in Valinor!  Those poor fools did not even stand a chance!  Wham - Good night!

3rd Age - Smaug the Golden’s attack on the Lonely Mountain in 2770 Third age.  Dragon fire would ruin anybody’s day!


Narmaethor 29/Dec/2006 at 05:16 PM
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I believe the battle of the five armies was quite fierce, I mean five armies thats I mean that’s pretty fierce, just the name, there’s obviously some major rivalry going on there.Maybe it wasn’t the fiercest but it was pretty dang cool.
Aslar Haechil 29/Dec/2006 at 06:02 PM
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The War of Wrath would have to have been one of, if not the fiecest battle of all. Balrogs and Dragons led by Morgoth were killed, and it ended the First Age of Middle Earth. Beleriand was totally swallowed up by the oceans in the process.
Arthur Weasley 29/Dec/2006 at 06:38 PM
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Aslar Haechil - EEP!  You are right!  How could I forget the War of Wrath when Thangorodrim was overthrown?  I must have been napping.  The final battle where the Powers of Valinor defeated Morgoth would certainly rank up there!
Qtpie 29/Dec/2006 at 08:47 PM
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I agree with Aslar that the War of Wrath was probably the fiercest battle in Middle-earth of all times. Here’s a quote to support my opinion:

’Thus an end was made of the power of Angband in the North, and’ the evil realm was brought to naught; and out of the deep prisons a multitude of slaves came forth beyond all hope into the light of day, and they looked upon a world that was changed. For so great was the fury of those adversaries that the northern regions of the western world were rent asunder, and the sea roared in through many chasms, and there was confusion and great noise; and rivers perished or found new paths, and the valleys were upheaved and the hills trod down; and Sirion was no more.’ The Silmarillion: Of the Voyage of Earendil and the War of Wrath

So great and fierce was the War of Wrath that it changed how the world looked and Beleriand was totally destroyed.

Oin 29/Dec/2006 at 11:09 PM
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Finellach I think has hit the nail on the head - the Battle of Azanulbizar at the culmination of the War of the Dwarves and Orcs was probably the most fierce of the later days: when half of one side is mortally wounded or killed and the other side is exterminated, that’s impressive.

But besides that, I would say the Battle of the Gwathlo probably takes the cake with me, as it is where Sauron’s army besieging Lindon and Rivendell was annihilated by the Numenorean navy in the Second Age. It would have been a massive fight, and very fierce.