The Blue Wizards

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Anscemion 29/Dec/2006 at 07:32 PM
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If you have come to this post without reading about the blue wizards in the library then go read it, this is a post talking about them and the points that the library brings up, also its a very interesting read, i think the library did that one well.

-First one of the reasons i started this post: does anyone where to get a good picture of one of the blue wizards? thx in advance.

-Second: I don’t believe that the wizards succeeded in their mission, the men inhabbiting the area around and near mordor (south) still came to his aid when the battle of pelenor fields was launched, if they did succeed then those men would have been free from the rule of Sauron

Questions, comments, money, food?

KingODuckingham 29/Dec/2006 at 07:39 PM
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You’re right, in Unfinished Tales, in the chapter on the Istari, Tolkien says that the Blue Wizards wandered off into the east and didn’t stay focused on their mission to save Middle Earth from Sauron, thus failing through negligence.

By picture, you mean one posted on the internet, or one that Tolkien or an artist’s rendering in real life? I can’t help you on either score, but those who can might need that clarification.
Magradhaid 29/Dec/2006 at 08:46 PM
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The only art of the Ithryn Luin I’ve found is the picture here; I Googled Alatar. Pallando, Morinehtar, Rómestámo, Ithron Luin, Ithryn Luin, and Blue Wizard(s) turned up nothing.
KingODuckingham 29/Dec/2006 at 08:49 PM
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Wow, he’s got a bow? Interesting...
Maiarian Man 29/Dec/2006 at 08:58 PM
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The fact that there were many Easterlings fighting for Sauron does not mean that the Blue Wizards failed. As Tolkien writes in HoME XII (as quoted in the Library), the Blue Wizards were of great importance to the history of the third age, and we can suppose that without their work the force of Sauron would have been even greater than it was--perhaps so great as to have taken over Middle-earth before Gandalf ever foudn out what Bilbo’s Ring really was.
Qtpie 29/Dec/2006 at 09:00 PM
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Here’s the quote that KoD is referring to in the Unfinished Tales, in case some of us don’t have their books on hand.

’Of the Blue little was known in the West, and they had no names save Ithryn Luin "the Blue Wizards;" for they passed into the East with Curunir, but they never returned, and whether they remained in the East, pursuing there purposes for which they were sent, is now not known. But none of these chances were impossible to be; for, strange enough though this may seem, the Istari, being clad in bodies of Middle-earth, might even as Men and Elves fall away from their purposes, and do evil...’ The Unfinished Tales: The Istari

KingODuckingham 29/Dec/2006 at 09:02 PM
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in case some of us don’t have their books on hand....like KoD himself   Thanks, mate, you’re always there with a quote for me.
Qtpie 29/Dec/2006 at 09:05 PM
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No problem KoD .
Vugar 29/Dec/2006 at 09:16 PM
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Since the Plaza article is here in discussion, I suppose the second point is technically correct in terms of an absolute success. However, as the article quotes from Tolkien’s later writings on the Ithryn Luin, they are integral to the success of the forces of the West as they lessened the numbers of Men that fought for Sauron in the Second and Third Ages. The Haradrim at the Pelennor Fields numbered some 18,000. If that was really a lessened figure, then one could only imagine what the West might have faced had the East been unhindered in the later account concerning the Ithryn Luin.
Vugar 29/Dec/2006 at 09:19 PM
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A very late simul on my part, though I concur with MM
Alcarináro 29/Dec/2006 at 10:23 PM
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Wow, he’s got a bow?
I’d think the bows are meant to show the nature of the Blue Wizards. Both were, after all, from the Host of Orome. They were hunters. Honestly, it makes more sense that a lot of the stuff one sees in ME-based art, regardless of whether or not it can be proven to be the case.
KingODuckingham 29/Dec/2006 at 10:31 PM
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I know. I posted that a bit fast, it was just my initial reaction. I wasn’t thinking of Gandalf wielding a sword, it just struck me as odd that a wizard was carrying anything but a staff.