Orcs: did they have wives?

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Mithrandír 31/Dec/2006 at 01:42 PM
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my question today is:
did Orcs have Wives( so that they could reproduce and multiply) and did they have women?(same thing )
i understand that Melkor was thought to have tortured the Elven Race into the Race of Orcs, but how di he find a way to make his race double?
Alcarináro 31/Dec/2006 at 01:47 PM
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Seven threads down. Please take the time to look at other threads at least on the first page of the forum. Otherwise, we end up with, as happens at times, four or five threads on the same subject opened up in the same forum on the same day.
That said, being a race that has males and females is not the same thing as being a race that has husbands and wives.
Mithrandír 31/Dec/2006 at 02:03 PM
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woops, i see it now, sorry.
Aslar Haechil 31/Dec/2006 at 02:07 PM
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In any case, they did have females but like Elenhir said, this doesn’t mean at all that they had wives, and I would highly doubt that any orcish relationships could be considered a "marriage". It’s quite disturbing to think about actually. Monogomy doesn’t sound like something orcs would find very important, or appealing at all.
Arvellas 01/Jan/2007 at 11:55 PM
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Orc husbands and wives?  That does actually spark my curiosity; I do not know that much about Orcs, especially not their customs, and I don’t know how much there is known about the subject, but if Orcs did have weddings and such, that would raise questions as to what ceremonial practices there were and all kinds of other stuff.  As nasty as the Orcs are, sometimes they are not as primitive as we think they are--they had to have some level of skill to create the tunnels in the Misty Mountains--and so Orc society might have more to discover.
kitsuneyouko5 02/Jan/2007 at 06:03 AM
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I must say I agree with Aslar. Orcs dont exactly strike me as the type of creatures to forge lasting bonds, like matrimonial ones, between each other. Elbereth they cant even listen to their commanders without raising a fuss, (as we see when Merry and Pippin are captured by orcs and they witness the dissent among them, the same in the Towers of the Teeth when the orcs kill each other over Frodos mail shirt.) I get the feeling that orc women may take lovers for reproductions sake or their own personal pleasure then turn around and go ’black-widow’ on them. In other words, eat them. Use them for what they want then turn them into dinner. Goblins strike me much the same way, if you recall in The Hobbit while in the cave they tell of a Goblin King, yet no Queen. I am not saying they are not intelligent, they most assuredly are as Arvellas said (as warriors and architects of labrynths at least), yet they seem to lack the softer emotions that make one capable of feeling such emotions that lead to marriage in other societies.
Alcarináro 02/Jan/2007 at 10:49 AM
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Orcs don’t eat each other, Kitsuneyouko. Unless you consider, say, the Donner Party as evidence that ’humans eat each other’. And there is no difference between Goblins and Orcs; they are one and the same.
Overall, I think a few people here are presenting as theory ideas which come directly from what they want to be the case, not from evidence that Tolkien gives.