Gandalf in Dol Guldur

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Anfauglith 02/Jan/2007 at 05:21 AM
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How was it possible for Gandalf to enter Dol Guldur (and for a time unnoticed?)? I mean, Dol Guldur was a fortified structure and (I guess) also under the constant vigilance of atleast one Nazgul.

As it was he entered Dol Guldur twice; once in 2063 and also in 2850. In 2063 Sauron fled before him. The second time around Sauron had regained much of his former strenght- this made it a lot more diffult I suppose.

But my question is more concrete; did he just sneak past some outposts,in disguise, and somehow found his way in there?

Magradhaid 02/Jan/2007 at 06:22 AM
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At the time, the Nazgl were at Minas Morgul. Sauron was at Dol Guldur upon (former) Amon Lanc, but I know little about Gandalf’s entrance save that he went "in disguise" [UT] and accidentally came across Thrin in the "pits". I don’t think Gandalf went up to the front door and knocked, with his tall blue hat and grey cloak! There’s other examples of a Wizard in disguise Saruman met Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas in the forest, and was said to go around "hooded and cloaked". In one draft Saruman also visited the Shire "disguised and in the utmost secrecy [...] [a] figure as it were of an old man clad in grey or russet stealing through the woods or passing through the dusk". So I think Gandalf would have went when it was harder to see him, but also disguised in some manner.
mighty ent man 02/Jan/2007 at 06:24 AM
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What an interesting question. I am no expect on this but I will give my opinion and thoughts none the less. Let us hope my thoughts and yours help stimulate some interesting discussion around this topic.

We are shown in the text of LOTR that the Istari were cunning and clever and can assume different forms if they want. If I am correct they came to ME in the form of Men, though they chose to be Men. Therefore I am assuming they could chose to be any form they wanted.

Also we see that Saruman appears by Gimili, Aragorn and Legolas on the edges of Fangorn. He appeared and dissapeared easily. Thus if Gandalf could do this I am sure he could sneak into places unnoticed.

We also know Gandalf was very powerful and therefore would have enough power to use stealth to enter. Though I have no idea how he practically got in. As to the strength of Dol Goldur I do not know. I do not know its fortification.

I hope this helps in some way!

mighty ent man 02/Jan/2007 at 06:25 AM
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Simul!! I do apologise! Good points too and quotes!