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Rohanrider22 26/Feb/2004 at 11:05 AM
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I thought a really korny part in the movie was when the Ringwraith king said "No man can kill me" and Eowyn said "I am no man". It seemed so cheesy to me. Does anyone esle think the same? I mean come on people.

Asteris Elaina 26/Feb/2004 at 11:17 AM
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Yea! It’s always good when girls gotto kick some @ss!!! (No affends guys) I love it since I read about the scene in the book! Eowyn rocks!
Rohanrider22 26/Feb/2004 at 11:20 AM
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Yeah it is good that girls kick @$$ but the way she says it is kinda cheesy. The guys have plenty og butt kicking, it was a womens turn.
Daewyn 26/Feb/2004 at 11:22 AM
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No, I personally liked it when she that.  Of course I cried whenever Theoden died, but then when Eowyn said "I am no man!"  and killed the Witch King, it was just awesome.  Although I imagined that scene very different from reading it in the book, it was still pretty cool! 
Rohanrider22 26/Feb/2004 at 11:25 AM
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Theodens death was sad but I cant cry over it because it was noble, the way he died. If someone is ready to die than you should be happy.

Regina 26/Feb/2004 at 11:27 AM
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I didn’t think it was cheesy, per se.  I do wish they would have used more of the dialog straight from the book, however.  I know modern audiences might not get excited by lines like "Begone foul dwimmerlak!" (sp?), but I’d have loved to hear it!  I’m hoping they expand this scene in the EE, because I felt like it all happened too fast, and then the emphasis shifted to Theoden’s death.
Rohanrider22 26/Feb/2004 at 11:30 AM
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True, dialogue from the book would have been better but I dont think many people would be able to understand it.
luthienthefair 26/Feb/2004 at 11:32 AM
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i thought that was one of trhe best lines ever!!!!  it was more dramitc int he bok thogh, becase you never knew it was eowyn until she said it. 
Rohanrider22 26/Feb/2004 at 11:35 AM
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It was just the way she said it that was cheesy to me. The line wasnt that bad but original dialogue would be better.
AlassielVanesse 26/Feb/2004 at 11:38 AM
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I thought Miranda Otto did a wonderful acting job as Eowyn myself, but I think that as striking as the "I am no man!" line was from her in that scene, it would’ve been better if they threw in even a small portion more of the whole part that she said in the book in that scene.
Morwen Elensar 26/Feb/2004 at 12:08 PM
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That is one of my favourite scenes, but I must admit there should’ve been more emphasis on Eowyn slaying the Witch king, rather than going straight to Theoden’s death. Both are climaxes in their own right and having them straight after each other would just cancel each other out. More of the dialogue from the book should be in there, and I hope like you it will be in the EE, but none the less, I love the scene.
Glorfindel 26/Feb/2004 at 12:16 PM
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I also thought the dialogue during the confrontation between Eowyn and the Witchking was lacking the greatness of Professor Tolkien’s description of the aforementioned.  Almost everything else during this segment of The Return of the King was near perfect, though.  Perhaps, the dialogue will be improved in The Return of the King Extended Edition. 
Fingor 26/Feb/2004 at 12:16 PM
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I like that scene, and Im a guy, Stupid Nazgul didnt know what was coming, HAHAHAHAHAHA DIE!!!!, ok gonna go whimper in that cornor.                        
Cadiliniel 26/Feb/2004 at 12:21 PM
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Not cheesy, but cheesy in comparison to the awesome dialogue in the book.  I was really looking forward to one of the best speeches in the book being in the film, but it was cut so much!  I really hope that more of her speech is in the EE (I’m also keeping my fingers crossed for a prolonged fight with him...with swords....).
AngelScythe 26/Feb/2004 at 12:29 PM
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i i think that rocked! i mean they really kind of played up the woman in the LOTR movies but hey i say go for it! I’m all about woman’s lib and she rocked and kicked that Ring Wraths butt! The line was really really cheesy but that’s okay we can forgive them for a little cheese. Eowyn’s just awesome…

Beliowen 26/Feb/2004 at 12:43 PM
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Finally someone has decided to give a character some female emancipation rather than just some feminine girl like Arwen.......not that I don’t like Arwen. But Eowyn is an ideal model for a woman, she just wants to do what seems fit and does not care whether she is a man or a woman. That scene is brilliant, and weapons and warfare really does give her a nice salute placing her next to Aragorn on the front cover.
Fëanen 26/Feb/2004 at 12:49 PM
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It did seem a little cheesey, but that’s how it happened in the book.  One of the only parts in the book that was actually put into the movie correctly.  But that was one of my most favorite parts in the entire trilogy and am glad that Eowyn got to kill the Witchking and not someone else.
~GONDOR~ 26/Feb/2004 at 01:00 PM
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She could have said it in a different tone I believe. I am glad they finally do give a female fighting recognition. She was pretty wicked with that sword. I liked how she hacked the witch king dragons head off with 2 hacks. WHACK< WHACK!
Aeltáewe 26/Feb/2004 at 01:08 PM
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I don’t think that the scene with Eowyn and the Nazgul King was cheesy at all. I thought that it was very fulfilling to Eowyn’s character and it was also true to the book. Eowyn’s character is a warroir and I thought that was an awesome way to complete her. Though I do like the book version of that better, I do admit.
bree15 26/Feb/2004 at 01:57 PM
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yes it was kinda cheesy but it was also one of the best parts of the movie  so i guess i still like it in a way she should have just killed the wraith and got it over with without talking smack. besides she was lucky that pippen helped otherwise she would have been killed.
Inwe Lythian 26/Feb/2004 at 02:15 PM
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I personally think it comes out better in the book than it does in the movie.  In the movie Eowyn goes just a little too much Amazon princess for me.  I also miss the part where she learns love, joy and pity also.  I too, loved the scene with Eowyn in the book and it is a very good thing she was there, considering Gandalf’s preoccupation with Denethor’s madness, but I think the two events fit together and she grows because of them.
EowyN_EvenstaR 26/Feb/2004 at 03:20 PM
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i think it was great that a girl finally got to fight . she belonged there with merry because they were the two people they didn’t let fight , but they got to anyway .  plus gandalf had his own problems to deal with , denethor trying to kill his son and all . plus if eowyn never got to fight , she wouldnt have taken merry with her , and he wouldnt have met pippin again . so i think its good that eowyn got to fight , because it set off a lot of other events . what i think was a cheesy scene was when frodo leaves sam behind on the pass of cirith ungol . wasnt even in the book .  
Rohanna 26/Feb/2004 at 04:02 PM
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I didn’t think it was cheesy at all, and I wanted to stand up and go woohoo.  Unfortunately, since I knew it was coming it wasn’t as dramatic as I would have liked it to be, but it was still a good scene, although I agree with everyone that it happened way too fast.  There was just too much good stuff in ROTK that everything in the movie seemed to move a little too fast.
Vardaadarien 26/Feb/2004 at 04:16 PM
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I personally feel that scene ws much too hasty for what it should have been. Her line was not cheezy, but it was too swift and too modern... hrr, yes, too modern. More of the dialogue from the book should have been placed in the movie. But I would give an A for summing up the entire scene in those four words! And it is always great when women show their real side, their strong, dominant side. Hrmm us entwives believe that very strongly, well at least I do...
Paris Took 26/Feb/2004 at 04:37 PM
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I though a lot of the movie was cheezy but not that part acually.   That was my favorite scene,  Eowyn is just SO cool.
Leal Hrædhof 26/Feb/2004 at 05:32 PM
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o.O;; *oddlooks first thread opening post* How...can that be considered "cheesy" when it was one of the more important scene’s from the novel? I mean, come else could they have gotten the scene to work? Besides, if *I* were in that situation, I would have done/said the same exact thing. In my own humble opinion, there are no cheese scenes...only sappy Sam/Frodo ones.
Lerivel 26/Feb/2004 at 05:32 PM
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I would have loved to see a bit more of the dialogue from the book used as well. I thought it went by a bit too quick for my tastes and thought it could have been emphasized a bit more, but what are you gonna do? Besides adding a bit more would have made me even more numb at the end of the film than I already was, although I wouldn’t really care. I guess we’ll all  have to wait for the extended edition.
P-Goody_16 26/Feb/2004 at 07:00 PM
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i think that the cheesy dialogue (only two lines) between eowyn and the witch king shrinks undre the weight of the cheese produced in the scenes with aragorn and arwen - those cheesy scenes weren’t ranked as simple parmasan cheese, that was the american made chedar set out to rot during film production
PelhamBitHGrl 26/Feb/2004 at 07:06 PM
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Lol, P-Goody_16: i love your analysis. Its very good.  Anyway, that part was kinda cheesy. But i kept yelling "No dont touch him" at the TV every time Arwen and Aragorn were together O, and the scenes with Aragorn and Eowyn too.
hyarmen_are 26/Feb/2004 at 07:24 PM
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HAHA P-Goody.

I thought that scene was cheesy too cause it was so short and the real text was butchered.  I felt like the whole Pelennore fields scene was rushed way too much. 

luthien5 26/Feb/2004 at 08:08 PM
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I thought it was kind of cool...i mean i guess the line was a little korny...but hey what are you going to do...but i think this line and scene proved her strength and ability to fight..and that just because she was a woman doesnt mean she had to be weak, she did what no man had the power to do and that was pretty cool
Firithlosseiel 26/Feb/2004 at 08:10 PM
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 That’s pretty much what they said in the books, and no I don’t think it was cheesy. Though in the books Eoywn said something like "I am no man, you look upon a woman. I am Eoywn of Rohan" or something like that, I think it would have been better than the "I am no man." And no offence to Eoywn fans but her little scream and sword drop was a tad pathetic.
Isilmë Antulien 26/Feb/2004 at 08:35 PM
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I loved that scene.  I watched ROTK openening night at the gathering so it was just tolkien fans watching it.  And after she said that line everyone in the theater cheered out and clapped.  It was awesome!
Imannoniel 26/Feb/2004 at 08:40 PM
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well the original scene from the book was excellent (though i’m not much of an eowyn admirer) but the scene in the movie was a tad cheesy for my tastes. cos, the moment the Witch King said no man can kill him, i’ve (i’m sure many others in the audience did too) anticipate that line ’i’m no man’ or anything remotely like it coming. so, i do think that it was a bit corny, but eowyn’s delivery of the line was ok.
Lord Lomyr 27/Feb/2004 at 03:29 PM
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I think the scene was pretty good. The Witchking thought he was so strong and that he was going to destroy everyone by himself but then he got a little surprise. Not too many women had the courage to fight so it shows Eowyns courage. I think she should have been allowed to fight. She saw a lot of death and needed to get some revenge somehow.
Wardancer 27/Feb/2004 at 06:29 PM
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I don’t see the logic in this. ( No offend of course ) Here’s the line from the book, " But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. " Had you prefered this one instead? I’m perfectly happy with the current one. I think it is a good way to tell the viewers that even a heroine in a man dominated world can make the biggest of difference. Just like the smallest of person can make the biggest difference. It’s a nice philosophy.

Elwyn Tinwe 27/Feb/2004 at 06:30 PM
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I thought the scene was excellent. I don’t know how it could be corny.

The_Elendilmir 27/Feb/2004 at 06:33 PM
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The part in the book is not meant to emphasize "girl power." It was about courage and nobility. yes, from a woman, but the is not the focus, nor is the message that girls kick butt and that they ’rule.’ It was about courage born of love and loyalty. That scene could definetly have been done better.
lotrfan4eva 27/Feb/2004 at 08:17 PM
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I didn’t find that cheesy at all. I thought it was a really cool line! Me and my dad kept talking about it after we saw the movie.
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Saturos 28/Feb/2004 at 08:05 AM
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I thought it was a bad decision by PJ to put that line in the movie. It was different in the book and sounded good then, but it was just plain CHEESY!
If I was peter jackson (which i’m not), i would have followed the book more closely. But hey, these are just my views of the movie, and i thought it was cheesy.
Saranna 28/Feb/2004 at 08:08 AM
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But she did say that in the book!  Granted, she said a lot more too, but Begone foul Dwimmorlaik doesn’t exactly trip off the tongue, now does it?
hyarmen_are 28/Feb/2004 at 08:38 AM
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She says the words more flowing.  the movie line was choppier than the Foul Dwinnorlaik phrase.  it was just alot better in the book, tis all im saying.  And it was just minor things that they changed, it wouldn’t have been so hard to give the exact phrase now would it?

Miriath 28/Feb/2004 at 11:44 AM
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No I didn’t find that cheesy, I thought it was great! I mean here is Eowyn, this girl who is so determined that she fights and kills one of the villians that is almost as bad as Sauron himself! I thought it was a wonderful show of girl power, and not cheesy at all! I loved that scene!
Módwyn 28/Feb/2004 at 12:19 PM
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To girls, well it kinds of shows the man world that even a brilliant guy like Tolkein understands the greater importance of women to society. Just joking. I don’t think it is at all cheesy maybe more- women using their heads type.
SaRailei Banba 28/Feb/2004 at 05:58 PM
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NO-IT WAS TOTALLY COOL!!! plus that line was in the book!  hey-i named my new gecko after eowyn.  " But no living man am I!  You look upon a woman."  when she cut that nazgul’s head off-that was my FAVORITE part of the movie.  i was soooooo hoping they would put that line in the movie.  
Amaniel 01/Mar/2004 at 03:35 PM
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That was my favorite scene in the movie!!!  I had read it in the books many years before the movie came out and it was always my favorite part in the book as well.  As soon as I heard that Fellewship was coming out in theatres I was in total anticipation.  I think it was a lot more fun to read than to watch because in the book you don’t realize it is Eowyn until she says that, "I am no man."

ringbearer1249 01/Mar/2004 at 04:17 PM
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Yeah, pretty cheesy, I might say. But I guess it was one of those subtle chuckle lines PJ likes to put in...or a nod towards the feminists of the LotR fan population? I don’t know...but my guess is that- like Amaniel said- it was a reference to the exact text in the book when you don’t know it’s Eowyn until she says "I am no man." I like when PJ stuck in lines from the book that only us LotR freaks would recognize..."Oh! I remember when they said that! It was chapter 9, page 345, column 2, line 6..." *ahem*
Eliriel 01/Mar/2004 at 05:35 PM
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I personally loved that part! She really wanted to fight in battle. Unfortunately the only way she could get in there is disguising herself as a man. Then when it came down to the killing of the WitchKing, he laughed at her and said in a way it’s all over, but she proved to be a strong warrior and a woman , at that! Eowyn: You are definately no man! 


lady evergreen 01/Mar/2004 at 05:39 PM
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umm NO!
emeldir89 01/Mar/2004 at 05:47 PM
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That’s on of my favorite parts! The first time I saw RotK after it was over my friend’s mom stood up and screamed "I am no man!"  It was so funny! Anyways, whoppage by the girls is always cool.
Earthlight 01/Mar/2004 at 07:49 PM
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I thought it worked, it was just a very edited version of the text, but got the gist of it.  The whole point was that no man really could kill him, but he was killed by a hobbit and a woman (in the book he actually hesitates for a moment after she tells him who she really is).  But then, in the movies Tom Bombadil is totally gone, so there’s no connection with the charmed sword Merry carries and its ability to wound the Witch King, who it originally was made against.  But his courage--and Eowyn’s--are awesome, when all around them on the battlefield everyone else is running from the ringwraith/Witch King.  I hated that they were both just fine afterward, instead of being near death from (as Aragorn puts it in the book) "daring to smite that deadly thing."
luineyulmawen 01/Mar/2004 at 08:00 PM
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i think it’s very liberating to hear that. for a woman to live in that kind of era there were so much struggle about her limitations and duties. it was sort of constricted.when eowyn said that, it kind of opened the eyes of viewers that  "yeah, even if she’s a woman she could still be a hero". and she doesn’t need too much muscle to do that,she just drew from the strength and love in her heart.
amarventris 01/Mar/2004 at 08:37 PM
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yah pj cheesed it down what she says is i am eowyn eomund’s daughter in classic epithet form. and the pause where the ringwraith is silent and considering her words is missing. that whole scene needs to be slowed down so you feel the impact of what she does. and I need to see Eomer grieve and then get her back. hellOOOOOOOOOO
I.M. Sunshine 01/Mar/2004 at 08:41 PM
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Why not just have Arwen kill him instead of Eowyn?
brinzkr 01/Mar/2004 at 08:44 PM
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yea it was sorta cheesy if u look at it but its still a good scene  but it could of been made better in some ways hopefully the extended version will make it better plus eowyn is HOT
Amanyáviëiel 02/Mar/2004 at 01:58 AM
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No, not cheesy. It was juicy, I think! Maybe it sounds cheesy to those who speak english as their mother tongue. I liked that line a lot, because you cannot translate that properly to my language. Nevertheless, Eowyn is my hero. Go Eowyn, go women!       
RubyGoldsworthy 02/Mar/2004 at 02:18 AM
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I’ve always considered Eowyn as one of my favourite characters and I did kind of cheer when she said that line. I think what most came across to me was the fact that in a male dominated film she rockd! I agree with amarventris that they should have put in the part when Eomer realises his sister is gravely wounded. I can’t wait for the extended edition- just for the houses of healing scene with Eowyn and Faramir. (Fingers crossed)
Firien Echui 02/Mar/2004 at 03:45 AM
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I don’t think I would call it cheesey. I do agree that they could have let that scene play itself out more in the movie, and I feel that it probably will be elaborated upon more in the extended edition. Atleast I hope it will be. That particular line could have been a little stronger, but they did quite well, I think.
Govorbediel 02/Mar/2004 at 05:23 AM
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otherwise it hadn’d been too cheesy, but it’s almost impossible to translate it into other languages, eg. my mothertongue finnish. i mean, people who don’t understand too much english don’t relly get the joke.. at least not the people i know..

oh and Ruby, you are certainly not the only one waiting for ee...i wanna see the wedding of eowyn and faramir

xanfor 03/Mar/2004 at 07:18 AM
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That scene is so stupid, she basically kills the Witch King on a technicality.  You’d think that the Nazgul were invincible against everyone but apparently not.  Because then wouldn’t Arwen’s water horses killed the Nazgul.
Droggo 03/Mar/2004 at 07:29 AM
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I think , Nazgul or not, anyone would have been taken aback by her saying"I am no man" and removing her helm and revealing fluttring blonde hair!! Nazgul would have had the surprise of his lifetime (if you could call it life!)
Droggo 03/Mar/2004 at 07:30 AM
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If Nazgul had eyebrows he would certainly have raised it! 
LuthienAncalime 03/Mar/2004 at 07:30 AM
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boring and not really the speach for miranda otto and her eyes look really creapy and huge
Avendel 03/Mar/2004 at 10:09 AM
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I thought that was one of the best scenes.  A woman beating the king of the Nazgul?  How humiliating for him!  Besides, it was a way of giving the women in the story the upperhand and storyline for once.  Eowyn was awesome. 
Cadiliniel 03/Mar/2004 at 10:16 AM
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 HurinThalion - please say you only said that to annoy people like me?  If Arwen had killed the Witchking I would have walked out of the cinema.
RuSh 03/Mar/2004 at 11:21 AM
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I do Agree it was  Reallya Cheesey IT was like a political statement i think... 
Rohanrider22 03/Mar/2004 at 11:34 AM
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I would have liked to see Arwen do some fighting with a nazgul. All she did is draw her sword and utter words of intimidation. She had a pretty kick @zz sword though. Eowyn and her could have teamed up. I wasnt saying the scene was cheesy, I was saying the way she said "I am no man!" was cheesy. The tone in her voice and the flow of it was cheesy, NOT the scene. Most of you misunderstood what I meant by cheesy/korny.
Naiya Fernberry 03/Mar/2004 at 12:11 PM
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I really liked that part, when Eowyn fights the witch king, stepping in, in Theoden’s place, your heart swells as you feel hope for them, and gladness for Eowyn, who as a very strong woman, is finally able to help, though it be too late for her uncle.  In the two towers she felt useless and said that she wanted to fight alongside Aragorn.  She has lived in dark times of her kingdom, and has the determination and skills of a man, which she proves by kicking witch-king butt!   Arwen is strong too I agree but in a different way, and I feel by showing a little frailty, by not making her fight, shows her need to go to the undying lands, she is torn between her kin and Aragorn so emotionally she is not strong, the elves are not aggressive, adn she is very elegant, I feel it would be wrong to see her fighting in Armour, which is what PJ agreed when he took her out of the Helm’s Deep fighting scenes.
Naiya Fernberry 03/Mar/2004 at 12:18 PM
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Oh, an error occured, and my post was lost, so I will try and remember what I wrote.  I think it is great when Eowyn shows her strength, and steps in to fight The witch king, aiding her uncle.  She has grown up in troubled times, and her kin are a fighitng race, which she tells us.  I guess you could consider the line as cheesy, but it makes my heart swell with hope for the fight, and gladness for Eowyn that she is able to help the fight.  She felt useless in the two towers when Aragorn would not let her fight alongside him, and I love the scene when Merry discovers it is Eowyn that he is riding with, which the books deals with diifferently.  As for Arwen, I believ it would be wrong to but her in battle, she is graceful, and fragile, she is emotionally torn between her kin and Aragorn.  Her strength is in mind, and her love for Aragorn, it would be wrong to see her in mail, wieding a sword, which PJ agreed with by taking her out of the Helm’s deep fight scenes.
Eltirmë 03/Mar/2004 at 02:24 PM
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Hmmm, I don’t think the cheese in the Eowyn/Witchking scene comes even close to the cheese in the "Hobbits Bouncing on the Bed" scene.  Honestly...its in slowmotion, and they all look giddy and delerious.  First all the hobbits come in and start bouncing, then Gimli walks up to the door, and he’s like " too!"  Of course, then you hae Legolas, who looks especially like a little girl in that cut.  I was absoutely incredulous when I saw it.  It looked like a 9 year old girl’s slumber party. 
i_luv_orli2007 03/Mar/2004 at 03:07 PM
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NO!!!!!!!!I think that is the best part in the whole movie. It shows the greatness of being a woman! If no man can kill a Nazgul than who do you turn to? Men may not realize but we are not men!!! duh!!!
Úrin 03/Mar/2004 at 03:15 PM
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Eltirmë: Well said and its exactly what I was feeling - the bouncing on the beds is just so hollywood, although the look that Frodo and Sam gave each other was kinda sweet. But then of course we wont mention that Frodo woke first ...

HurinThalion: Dont ever (ever) say something like that again ... Arwen should have been in the movie a lot lot less and definetly did not need to be anywhere near any battle scene.

WarriorEowyn 03/Mar/2004 at 06:33 PM
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I didn’t really like it myself - I would have preferred if they had had all the lines in that scene taken right from the book, obsessed person that I am.  I guess they just decided to shorten the dialogue, but it didn’t really sound good.
IleanaGreanleaf 03/Mar/2004 at 07:04 PM
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It’s great when a girl gets to fight! It was a tad cheesy I suppose, but I thought the cheesiest part was when Frodo got back to the Shire, woke up and everyone was coming in and they were all laughing and hugging...emotional yet cheesy. I loved when she hacked the Nazgul’s head off...and then killed the Witchking. One of the best parts in the movie.

"That STILL only counts as one!!!" -Gimli  RotK

Winter is Coming 03/Mar/2004 at 07:07 PM
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I loved that line - it just showed that sometimes - no matter how strong, brave and valient men are, only women can prevail!
I think that scene was great and the way the line was taken from the book was so much better.

I agree though - please say that you were only joking HurinThalion: if Arwen was at that battle i would have walked out, no questions asked; fan of the books or no.

atigdng 03/Mar/2004 at 07:22 PM
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   That is just like my favorite scene in all the movie! it is not in the least bit cheesy!  I mean she was supposed to fight that was what she was hoping for all along!

  Oh definitly, It would have ruined the movie if Arwen would have been in a fight thats just wrong! 

altstadt7 03/Mar/2004 at 08:44 PM
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It definetly was a bit chessy, especially how she said it.  But looking a few seconds before that, we see that Merry stabs him with his sword injuring him and opening the door for Eowyn to strick him down.  So logically (go guys!!) it can be concluded that the men do the most damage.

This whole thread sounds like a bash between the sexes.

~Lómadia~ 04/Mar/2004 at 08:53 AM
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That part is in no way cheesy, this is a scene so important in the book. And in some way i see were people are comming from when they the dialoge was rushed but then again they (I hope) may put it all in the Extended Edition  Yeh yippie. The book and the movie are both as they say in Oscar speech A Masterpiece.  I say POWER to Eowen !!

I totaly enjoyed that part and I think that is the talked about scene when she said ’’I am no man’’ and all I could think about is ohh no merrys hurt and the camra didn’t go back to see what happend to him arrr.... But anyways soo kewl to see Eowen turn in to this determand noble lady. And now after that i think maybe even one of my favourate characters she kicked @$$. The Witch king had NO chance.

Penmelion 04/Mar/2004 at 09:13 AM
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Cheesy? No way. I loved this part of the movie. I hadn’t read TROTK and was totally surprised when Eowen stuck him down. I went to the midnight showing of it and the entire theatre cheered when it happened. I thought it was great! I., like many others, can hardly wait until the EE version comes out and we can see what scenes were left out. I hope that the EE includes scenes from this particular part of the movie.
elven_princess2 04/Mar/2004 at 09:23 AM
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i thought it was "kinda" cheesy since usually throughout the whole movie, they barely repeated the same lines or similiar lines seconds/minutes after said..."NO MAN can kill me" and "i am NO MAN" no man is repeated in kinda the same tone...but i still think this scene was kool! eowyn killing the witchking! that’s something i’ll remember for a long time...
elven_princess2 04/Mar/2004 at 09:24 AM
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i thought it was "kinda" cheesy since usually throughout the whole movie, they barely repeated the same lines or similiar lines seconds/minutes after said..."NO MAN can kill me" and "i am NO MAN" no man is repeated in kinda the same tone...but i still think this scene was kool! eowyn killing the witchking! that’s something i’ll remember for a long time...
Cadiliniel 04/Mar/2004 at 10:15 AM
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 altstadt7 - men don’t really do the ’most damage’ as you say, because Merry is a Hobbit.
Míriel Aditu 04/Mar/2004 at 10:16 AM
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Haha well I thought it was cool…go Girl power!
Estelion 04/Mar/2004 at 02:48 PM
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I agree it was cheesy. But they had to have some dialogue there...

Taken Bya Storm 04/Mar/2004 at 03:02 PM
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it wasn’t cheesy at all. i bet alot of guys think that but really for once in the movies they show women as brave couragous people that can do any thing a gut can do and not only there to look pretty. when i wen to the movies and that part happened a girl screamed in joy and everyone claped. and the parts with Aragorn and arwen wern’t cheesy either. they had to show that they loved each other. pursonally i think that liv tyler is a good actress but to hollywoodish in real life. if anything was cheesy it was arwen
ohtarie_aranel 04/Mar/2004 at 04:14 PM
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I loved that scene in the movie and the book (of course the book was ten times betta :). Gal Powa ;)


jennyelfqueen 04/Mar/2004 at 05:15 PM
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I didn’t think that it was cheesy, it looked pretty serious to me but Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh should have added to the script the long speech that Eowyn says in front of the Witch-King after he almost kills King Theodon.  That definately would have made it a lot better!!! 
Cadiliniel 05/Mar/2004 at 09:48 AM
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One thing I was disappointed with in this scene actually was the way PJ turned it into some feministe statement, as though Eowyn’s there for the sake of saying ’I’m a woman, and because I’m great I’m going to kill you"  when that’s not the case at all.  She goes out there to die, to fight for her country, not for some stupid political argument.

Morgul lord 05/Mar/2004 at 02:49 PM
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Definitely a cool scene until she said that. Of course I love how when the Witch-King’s fell beast is decapitated, he stands up and does that hoarse little growl. Then it shows him pull out his bola (or morning star, or whatever you want to call it) and the camera scales it from top to bottom. It takes the book line "A great black mace he wielded" very literally, because that branch of the mace weapon was "great" in size. I loved when he broke her arm. the ngrabs her by the neck and says, "You fool! No man can kill me. Die now!" then Merry had to be a little goody-goody and poke the great Nazgul lord in the knee.   
Morgul lord 05/Mar/2004 at 02:52 PM
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And, Regina, it’s spelled dwimmerlaik, and pronounced dwimmer-lake. I means an undead spirit, and in a deragatory kind of way, which made me mad when I read the book. Of course, the movie ended for e when the Witch-King was destroyed, but thats just me. I’m a guy, not a girl, so my opinion isn’t "girl-power" or "boy-power". It’s "Nazgul-power"!
Morgul lord 05/Mar/2004 at 02:54 PM
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Fingor! Go into that corner, and whimper until you find that the Nazgul rock! LEARN! LEARN!


Ráneána 05/Mar/2004 at 03:11 PM
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I thought Eowen’s scean was cool. What was cheesy was Legolas’ little Oliphaunt sliding scean where he totally schooled that creature and then proceaded to be untouched by it after falling over, killing it and sliding down it’s trunk. While it was funny and amusing, it had to be the cheesiest thing I have ever seen.
Cadiliniel 05/Mar/2004 at 03:11 PM
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Is that not spam?  And as for <<takes the book line "A great black mace he wielded" very literally>>, it actually doesn’t, because the weapon the Witchking wields in the film is a flail not a mace as it should be.
Morwen Elensar 05/Mar/2004 at 04:01 PM
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Morgul Lord- please don’t spam- and this isn’t a sadistic site so please keep those views to yourself.

and what Cadi says is was a flail in the movie, not a mace.

StarlightRider 05/Mar/2004 at 07:18 PM
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Well he didn’t say that a woman couldn’t kill him! Only a man Therefore, it’s not cheezy, if you really get the point... However! Some people just overlook the point by only seeing the movie once... (As for me, gone 3 times) On the third, you really get to paying close attention to thoes kinds of things!
Eky Turùhalmë 05/Mar/2004 at 09:22 PM
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Nah, I dont agree. that scene was really mad!! It made me want to stand up and cheer! Miranda Otto is SUCH a perfect Eowyn in that part.   When she said "I am no man!" wasn’t cheesy, it brought the prophesy from out of the appendices, and anyway she says that in the book (only she says I am no mere(sp?) man). I think it was really cool.
vanaeveryoung 05/Mar/2004 at 09:26 PM
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I thought that it would have been nicer if the line in the book was used.  It’s so much more poetic, however, most modern audinces who haven’t read the books might not appreciate it as much as others.
SonOfGandalf49 05/Mar/2004 at 09:42 PM
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That’s why they did the way they did in the movie (although in the book you don’t know it’s Eowyn until that very moment and it’s a bigger jolt) but Miranda Otto, for me, did as great an Eowyn as is possible for the screen. I think the way she says "I am no man" is very dramatic. Best female actor in the entire triology in my book. That’s all I have to say about that!
Lord Gollum 06/Mar/2004 at 11:38 AM
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That scene was terrible. She is techinically a man though so shes a liar. Afterall they are the race of men.
Belegedhel 10/Mar/2004 at 12:52 PM
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I didn’t like that sence at all! I was just not there if you know what I mean. It didn’t become full it was  . . . cheezy! It was also I didn’t like it when the witch-king dies he was really cool.


Quote: Originally posted by Morwen Elensar on Friday, March 05, 2004

Morgul Lord- please don’t spam- and this isn’t a sadistic site so please keep those views to yourself.

I have one word for you Morwen Elensar :


What do you mean sadistic so what he likes the witch-king and thinks he is cool but that is not a sadistic view!

Belegedhel 10/Mar/2004 at 12:52 PM
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I didn’t like that sence at all! I was just not there if you know what I mean. It didn’t become full it was  . . . cheezy! It was also I didn’t like it when the witch-king dies he was really cool.


Quote: Originally posted by Morwen Elensar on Friday, March 05, 2004

Morgul Lord- please don’t spam- and this isn’t a sadistic site so please keep those views to yourself.

I have one word for you Morwen Elensar :


What do you mean sadistic so what he likes the witch-king and thinks he is cool but that is not a sadistic view!

Calenel 10/Mar/2004 at 02:12 PM
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I for one do not think that this is a cheesy part, it shows the great courage, honor , and bravery of this woman, Eowyn. This is a great part, and Peter Jackson did good on it. Not only on this but on the whole set of movies.  Great job Peter Jackson!!!
Belegedhel 10/Mar/2004 at 02:35 PM
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Sorry about double post
psycho_hobbit 10/Mar/2004 at 04:45 PM
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No, not really. I think the only cheesy scene there was in the movie was when Legolas single-handedly brought down the mumakil. That was rrrrrrrrreally cheesy!!! In the movie theater I said how cheesy and what a dork and my friend pinched me really hard. She can be like that some times...

 Drink up me ’earties yo-ho

amarventris 10/Mar/2004 at 05:32 PM
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xanfor you don’t think Frodo gets to Valinor on a technicality? let alone Sam? When they hint that even the smallest has a part to play, you wonder what shaded visions galadriel did NOT let slip. I wanted the archaic langauge fitted to Eowyn’s national pride. The naming of her father is what a man would say in battle, faced with a showdown with a legendary foe.