Talking Wallet?

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Mˇtsognir 29/Jun/2004 at 12:18 AM
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Remember in The Hobbit, when Bilbo,"the Burgalar" Baggins thought he was all that and a box of rocks and tried to pick-pocket the Troll, William ( heh, My name!)? When he pulled it out, Will felt absolutley nothing, but the thing that told him that he was getting robbed was the coin purse or wallet saying, well here.


Will’s Talking Wallet in Roast Mutton of the Hobbit.
"Ere, ’oo are you?"

Roast Mutton of The Hobbit.
"this is the beginning!" It was! Trolls’ purses are the mischief, and this way no exception

So I was just wondering, what exactly gave the purse/wallet the ability to speak? Or maybe it was a different kind of creature?

iowyth 29/Jun/2004 at 12:49 AM
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It was a talking wallet from the land of Wallets and Purses led by Great King Knapsack.
29/Jun/2004 at 05:56 AM
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It was probably an elvish or dwarvish wallet, most likely, that he pulled off of a midnight snack one time. Of course why it would seem to obey him now, or why it has the same sort ’o dialect, well I can’t understand. I don’t think it was ever mean’t to be that serious, anyway.
Nimlas52 29/Jun/2004 at 07:33 AM
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I agree with iowyth
Lady Halfling 29/Jun/2004 at 12:06 PM
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Ah yes, I remember reading about the war between the trolls and the land of wallets and purses.  Many of the wallets were taken prisoner and trained to obey the trolls. 
B˘rtakh 29/Jun/2004 at 12:26 PM
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Remember, The Hobbit was made for kids, so JRR Tolkein wanted to add a little wierd kid things like that.  That’s what I’m guessing.  I doubt that Elves or anybody made it, because I’m sure he only mentions it in the Hobbit.  I do have to lean towards iowyth’s hypothesis though...
AnarcalŰ 29/Jun/2004 at 02:01 PM
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As B˘rtakh said, it was mainly for the entertainment of children. Unlike LotR, everything in the Hobbit is not exactly serious.  Many things in the Hobbit never show up in other works. So, it’s not necessarily made by the Elves or Dwarves, especially since it says "Troll’s purses" rather than Elvish or Dwarvish purses. 

However, thinking about it, I think iowyth’s theory is quite close to the truth. All hail Great King Knapsack!

Soleil 30/Jun/2004 at 09:05 AM
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While it’s true that The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings were not necessarily meant to go together when Hobbit was originally written, there is an undeniable link between the two books. Therefore, fanatics like us will forever be trying to find correlations between them!

It sems logical that a world like Middle Earth is filled with things tht are magical in slight ways. Like a wallet that talks, and trolls that turn to stone when sun shines on them, and giant spiders, and rings that turn you invisible. So it’s not all that odd that a wallet that a troll carries is a able to "mimic" speech mucht he same way a parrot does.

Perhaps the trolls had serious problems with pickpockets? And this was their solution?

Katla Isolda 30/Jun/2004 at 02:51 PM
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There are several referances in Tolkien’s works of inanimate things talking or feeling, such as sting burning blue with pleasure, or the ring talking. Maybe Tolkien liked the effect?http://www.lotrplaza.com/forum/forum_images/smiley9.gif
Caelia 30/Jun/2004 at 06:10 PM
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I have always wondered about this.
iowyth 01/Jul/2004 at 12:37 AM
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I do not write fan fiction, nor even read it. But for someone who does, they are welcome to steal my hypotheses and write an epic about the land of Wallets and Purses called Lord of the Loose Change. (It is much too early in the morning!)
Whimsy 01/Jul/2004 at 08:44 AM
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Lord of the Loose Change!  I don’t read fan fiction either, but I might make an exception for that one.

Strange I never thought about that talking wallet much, wonder if it’s related to Talkie Toasters? I do remember thinking once while reading The Hobbit that maybe there was something IN the wallet/pocket that did the talking, I can’t think what though.

D45 01/Jul/2004 at 12:33 PM
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Yes, I must agree with one of Soleil’s points. Since, at the time of The Hobbit, the Ring did nothing but turn one invisible, why shouldn’t a wallet have the ability to speak? It was meant to be a fun book, and the wallet that catches the thief is no exception at all! I think it’s cute. ^_~