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Yavannamírë 25/Jun/2005 at 02:44 AM
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What happened to the king of all eagles in the First Age? Is there any record of it? I suggest that because the eagles of Thorond lived during the entire First Age, they were immortal, or at least had a very long life. The only thing I know about Thorond besides his actions and appearances in the Silmarillion is that Gwaihir was a descendant of his. I also wonder, because Thorond was king of all eagles in Middle Earth and seems to be one of the first eagles and had such a long lifespan, could it be possible that Thorond was a Maia? A Maia that perhaps returned to Valinor after his duty was done?

Feanedhell 25/Jun/2005 at 03:23 AM
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Hum, that is an interesting questions. I must say that i have not see any writing that tells us exactly what happened to the eagles. But i don’t think that Thorondor was a maia but simply a special animal that was granted special intelligence for serving Manwë. On where he went, i think he did return to valinor when Valinor was put outside of Arda at the end of the second age, or maybe before. He was after all the Servant of Manwë and wouldn’t be seperated from him.
Myrrdin 25/Jun/2005 at 05:37 AM
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I believe Thorondor was one of the kelvar, creatures that Eru sent to guard Middle Earth when Yavanna expressed her concern to Manwe about the fate of her realm, fearing that everything she loved and had created and toiled over would be destroyed by the Children of Iluvatar and Morgoth’s forces. They were the Eagles of Manwe, among others.
Anduril_88_ 25/Jun/2005 at 11:45 AM
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i think that throndor wasnt anything else than norrmal eagle but it had given some power from manve and it make him that way how it is.but when vallinor was hided so he call all eagles away with him becuse they were so important to him that he didt wanted to left them anywhere.but it were not maia like saruman and gandalf and other of them.
Arwe Thereyet 25/Jun/2005 at 12:33 PM
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The Eagles of Manwe were indeed greater than normal Eagles, and though they waned during the Ages, and were not as great as the first, they were still mighty spirits.

Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world. (Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days)

 

I have to do a little digging for the quote I really want, and your question about the fate of the Eagles intrigues me, so I’m going to have to return with a better answer.

Modsognir 25/Jun/2005 at 02:04 PM
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Well, I think that int he 1st Age Thorondor had his eyries in the peacks of the Crissaegrims in the Encircling Mountains. But before this in the Elder Days I think that he had his eyries on Thangorodrim, highest peaks in Middle-Earth (I’m not sure about this, I know that eagles lived there but I don’t know if Thorondor was there at the time or in Valinor) until Morgoth captured them and drove them out. So The Bunny Man, I think that Thorondor could be separated from Manwe, as he was for most of the 1st Age. The last we hear of him I think is when he comes to the War of Wrath with Earendil. Afterwards, I would think that he left to Valinor, but atleast some of his descendants stayed in ME (like Gwaihir and Landroval).
Yavannamírë 26/Jun/2005 at 06:43 AM
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Arwe: You stated:

The Eagles of Manwe were indeed greater than normal Eagles, and though they waned during the Ages, and were not as great as the first, they were still mighty spirits.

Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world. (Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days)

 

I think that the eagles of Thorondor can be regarded as eagles of Manwë. The quote from the Silmarillion says clearly that such eagles were spirits. This is what made me think that they were Maiar. What else could they be? Indeed they were of course not Maiar as mighty as for exaple Ossë or Eonwë, who were almost as mighty as the Valar themselves. A lot of those mighty Maiar also took the shape of the Children of Illúvatar, as did the Valar. But some didn’t, for example the balrogs, but also Ungoliant. This makes it possible that also Thorondor was a Maia. Both Ungoliant and Thorondor left offspring in Middle Earth (Shelob and Gwaihir). I think Thorondor being a Maia helps explain why he reached such a high age. I think it also makes it possible that Thorondor eventually went back to Valinor since this was the home of the Valar and Maiar.

Yavannamírë 26/Jun/2005 at 06:45 AM
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By the way, can Arwe change the title into Thorondor?
Modsognir 26/Jun/2005 at 06:55 AM
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Yavannamire, I understand what you are saying, they could indeed be Maia, but if they were then they would be Maia who had restrictions on their powers I would think, that they couldn’t break (unlike the Istari). But also to be noted, not all eagles are of Manwe, nor are all even good, for some fought on the side of Sauron’s in the Last Alliance (all races were split that day save the Elves, remember?), and hawks to were these ’spirits’, but not all were good. But, I don’t think that Ungoliant was a Maia, none really know what she is, but definitely not a Maia!
Yavannamírë 26/Jun/2005 at 07:55 AM
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Prince Eldarion: I know that not all eagles were good, but Thorondor was. And I would really regard him as one of the eagles of Manwë. Not all Maiar were good either of course. But I do not understand why they, if they were Maiar, had their powers limited. Some Maiar took the shape of the Children of Illuvatar, and some took the shape of animals, and maybe some even took the shape of plants. Not all Maiar were powerfull anyway. And why do you think that Ungoliant wasn’t a Maia? I think she absolutely was.

Dark Mith:

kelvar, creatures that Eru sent to guard Middle Earth when Yavanna expressed her concern to Manwe about the fate of her realm

Kelvar are not such creatures. They are everything that lives and is able to move. Olvar are everything that is living, but have roots and doesn’t move. In modern words Flora and Fauna. Look at this quote:

 

"But the kelvar can flee or defend themselves, whereas the olvar that grow cannot. And among these I hold trees dear." (Silmarillion, Of Aulë and Yavanna)

Amaurea Meneldur 26/Jun/2005 at 02:01 PM
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I don’t think that eagles would be maiars. Because they were a different race. That would be like saying maiar having children and producing more maiar, which seems unlikley and i’ve never heard such a thing. But Thorondor served Manwe well, i think he and the other heroic eagles of the Middle-Earth went back to Valinor so they could be back with Manwe. He was presumably the closest eagle to him
Moros 26/Jun/2005 at 02:47 PM
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Marimkastyu -- You have never heard or Maiar having children? What about Luthien then, the daughter of Melian the Maia?

As for what Thorondor and the Eagles are, I think that the quote Arwe provided above is a fairly acurate one. They were eagles, yes, but their bodies were inhabited by spirits.

"When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared." (The Silmarillion, Of Aule and Yavanna, my emphasis)

So we can see that it is not only within the olvar, or plants, that these spirits dwelled (ie: the Ents) but also among the kelvar, or animals. So in a way I supposed the Eagles can be closely associated with the Ents.

The main reason I do not believe them to be Maiar, however, is simply because nowhere in the section of the Valaquenta entitled ’The Maiar’ is there any reference to the Eagles. One would think that if Thorondor was indeed one of the Ainur then he would be mentioned there for he did great things such as marring the face of Melkor and helping both Elves and Men in many instances.

Modsognir 26/Jun/2005 at 06:10 PM
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Yavannamire, Ungoliant a Maia? There were the Balrogs, and there was Sauron, but Ungoliant... I don’t think she can be a Maia. That would mean that Shelob and the spiders of Mirkwood were like Luthien, they would be Maia! Look at this:
The great spider, destroyer with Melkor of the Trees of Valinor. Shelob in The Lord of the Rings was ’the last child of Ungoliant to trouble the unhappy world’ (The Two Towers IV 9.) - The Sil, index under Ungoliat.
I would think that it would atleast mention that she was a maia, instead of just saying a spider. Maybe I’m wrong though...
Tril Beeblebrox 27/Jun/2005 at 01:41 AM
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Hmmmm, very interesting concepts and I like your imagination cause I just didn’t think about it but now that you mention it I lost track of the great king of the eagles to which is a shame because he was cool. I think he either died which would be sad or he managed to get to Valinor to live out the rest of his days as you said. At least I hope he made it but I think Tolkien didn’t write anything about him did he?
Myrrdin 27/Jun/2005 at 03:39 AM
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Yavannamire, my mistake.
Yavannamírë 27/Jun/2005 at 03:41 AM
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Prince Eldarion: The Children of the Maiar don’t nescesarily need to be Maiar themselves. Maiar were part of the race of Ainur and Eru created them before the history of the world started. The Ainur were angelical spirits and could be created by Eru only. Maiar could however take such shape that they were able to breed children. They however were not Maiar themselves, and they were bound to their shape as well. So why couldn’t for instance Shelob be the same as Lúthien. Lúthien was an elf and Shelob was a spider because their Maiar parents chose to take the shape of elves an spiders before breedeing their children. I still think that Úngoliant was a Maia although it’s not said specifically. I always thought about the Ainur who entered the world in two devisions: the Valar and the Maiar. The Valar were the mightiest spirits and the powers of Arda, and all the ’lesser spirits’ were the Maiar, and they were there to assist the Valar. But also the Maiar could be divided in different levels of power. That’s why I think Úngoliant was a Maia as well. But even if it’s not like I just said, Ungoliant would definitely belong to the race of Ainur, because she came from beyond the borders of the world.

Narguzîr: As I just said there have always been to devisions on Arda withing the Ainur: the Valar and the Maiar. Therefore I think that also Thorondor is a maia spirit with the shape of an eagle. But if you all doubt this I want to state it differently: Thorondor was an Ainu, whatever division it might be, as was Ungoliant, and maybe although I’m not entirely sure about it, also the ents.

Modsognir 27/Jun/2005 at 12:28 PM
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Yavannamire: But even if it’s not like I just said, Ungoliant would definitely belong to the race of Ainur, because she came from beyond the borders of the world. [my bold]

well, I’ve looked into it and searched some and I think that you may be right. But I can’t make sense of this quote so I’ll post it here (it contradicts itself I think, and has to do with the bolded part of what I quoted from you above):
The Eldar knew not whence she [ungoliant] came; but some have said that in ages long before she descended from the darkenss that lies about Arda, when Melkor first looked down in envy upon the Kingdom of Manwe, and that in the beginning she was one of those that he corrupted to his service. But she had disowned her Master, - The Sil, of the darkening of Valinor [my bold]

First off, it says that she descended from the darkness around Arda, so I guess that technically she came from beyond the borders of the world, but not from where the Ainur came from (Eru’s Halls). Second, Ainur are descended only from Eru, she is not. Third, it says she was came when Melkor first looked upon Arda. This is after the Music of the Ainur and much after the Ainur were ’created’. So from all this we can say that she isn’t an Ainur at all. But then it says that at first she was one that Melkor corrupted to his service. But that would mean that she was once good (or better than she was after corrupted) to be corrupted. But then I had though that ’the darkness that lies about Arda’ refered to bad stuff, not the stuff that Earendil sailed around. Also, Tolkien usually used the phrase ’those that Melkor corrupted to his service’ in reference to the Balrogs/Maia he corrupted. But the first stuff points otherwise, maybe someone else can figure this out?

 

Amaurea Meneldur 27/Jun/2005 at 12:39 PM
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Narguzîr: When i said that i didn’t mean it that way. Ofcourse i know of Luthien.
 I just meant that two maiars having children, like Melian and Olorin (just an example). So i actually meant that i didn’t hear anything of maiar reproducing like humans, elves, dwarves etc... And the eagles were a race that reproduced and had children just like any other race of Middle-Earth

Yavannamírë 27/Jun/2005 at 04:13 PM
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Prince Eldarion: Eru’s Halls were in the darkness about Arda. In this darkness there was nothing, and that’s what the Ainur wanted to change actually. They desired an existing world and therefore they put their desires in the music of the Ainur. Tolkien probably used the words darkness that lies about Arda to put emphasis on its emptyness. And where in this quote does it say she didn’t descent from Eru. In this quote the word ’descent’ is litterally used. She descended from what’s outside Arda. All Ainur who descended to Arda came from this darkness, in which lies the place where Eru is. The descending of Ungoliant to Arda has also nothing to do with her creation. She could have well been created together with the other Ainur. She only descended when Melkor first looked down in envy upon the Kingdom of Manwe. All Valar had to descent. If I get this quote well, she even descended earlier than the vala Tulkas. Also, the skies Eärendil sails through are within Arda and not beyond or about it. And the darkness that lies about arda must in my point of view not be regarded as evil or bad, but rather as empty. So of course she was once good. Even Sauron was once good. Even Melkor himself. All that is created by Eru is in it’s basics good. Melkor himself desired to have the light. But he wanted all for himself only, and since he couldn’t get it his heart became more and more jealous and corrupted and from this he became evil. And by using his power, because he was still one of the most powerful Valar at that time, he corrupted some of the Maiar, such as Sauron, the Balrogs and I think also Ungoliant. I hope you understand what I’m trying to make clear here, and i hope it’s useful.  

Mârimkastyur and Prince Eldarion: please never say the words an Ainur or Maiars even again, because they are complete nonsense. Valar, Ainur and Maiar are plural forms. The singular forms must be: Vala, Ainu and Maia.

Alcarináro 27/Jun/2005 at 04:24 PM
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Ungoliant an Ainu? You’ll need better proof that that.
Firstly, the darkness that lies about Arda, is not where Eru is. For you see, Arda is in Ea, and Eru is out of Ea. If one were to take this quote as truth (which I might add, it is not stated to be in the original context), it would seem rather that Ungoliant was within Ea, but not Arda.
Secondly, as to Melkor looking down upon the Kingdom of Manwe, one has to realize that Melkor was the first of the Valar to enter Ea. That said, it would have to be the time when Melkor left Arda for other parts of Ea. That would mean that (again, if this quote is truth) she came later than any of the Ainur, and that she came in the darkness around Arda, but within Ea.
Thirdly, to be corrupted into his service does not mean that she was an Ainu. Melkor corrupted Men into his service. He corrupted anything he could!

That said, as to the Children of Ainur, I see no problem. That is, as long as the bodies of the Ainur are ’real and not feigned’. Spirits I do not see reproducing. But if they are to be in a physical body for the entire time, there should be no problem. This follows from what one Ainu we know of reproducing. Melian took physical form and kept it.
Modsognir 27/Jun/2005 at 04:29 PM
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Yavannamire, I’m fully aware of the grammar of Arda, must have been a slip of the keys.

But, I think that one of us is interpreting the word descent wrong. You interpret it as coming down from, I interpret it as being born from (you’re a descendant of your parents, your descended from them, that way). So, I’m thinking rather that Ungoliant was a creature born of Melkor’s envy and lust for Manwe’s Kingdom. I don’t think that it’s just a coincidence that Ungoliant would come to Arda right at the exact time that Melkor first looks upon it (and with envy). It definitely (atleast I think) means that she was something born of Melkor’s evil. For, I don’t think any Maia could be so evil, to hate light and devour it, to get stronger than the greatest Vala after eating some jewels, to actually feast on light and devour it? This to me seems inhumane, not even Melkor is ever that, unhuman/un-good like.

Moros 27/Jun/2005 at 09:17 PM
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Yavannamire -- I am well aware that there are two divisions of Ainur. Yet I ask you, what proof do you have that Thorondo is of either one of these divisions? I have stated my own reasonings that led to my personal decision that Thorondor and the Eagles are not Maiar or Valar but simply inhabited by ’spirits’.

However, neither Ungoliant nor the Ents were Maia. Just think, Treebeard, the oldest Ent there is, does not know Gandalf as a Maia. You would think that if the Ents were indeed Maiar then they would know others of their Order. No, the Ents along with the Eagles are merely inhabited by spirits. And as for Ungoliant, well, I recomend reading what Elenhir has to say.

Marimkastyur -- Ah, okay, I understand now. And just by the way, copy/pasting someone’s name like you are doing is considered spamming because there is a lot of hidden HTML coding that augments your character count when posting.

Elenhir -- Well said.

Yavannamírë 28/Jun/2005 at 03:07 AM
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Elenhir: It’s incredible how you’r able to crack whatever proof of a certain theory there has been given during the entire thread in only one post. I must admit that I’m a little speechless right now. However I would like to make a few things more clear from my last post. First, I didn’t say that you had to be an Ainu to be currupted by Melkor. I just that that the Ainur he did corrupt were all good in the beginning. As were the men, because no one who comes from Eru is born evil. Secondly, yes she would be the last of the Ainur to enter Arda, Tuskas was indeed later. But why does this seem impossible to you that in that stage of the history of the world another Ainu could still enter the world. And thirdly, I always interpreted the quote in the way I explained in my last post, but you interpret it differently and there’s not much discussion possible. You talk about proof, well there is no proof. If there were clear proof, we wouldn’t be discussing the topic right now. We have to draw our conclusions on the very few amount of text we can read. From the beginning I thought Ungoliant to be a Maia, and I hadn’t thought that anyone would doubt that in the first place. So I didn’t bring it here as a statement or theory, but just as a fact. It appeared that a lot of people don’t agree with my view in this, so ther is no proof. It’s just my truth. What I always thought to be the truth. And it’s difficult to conclude what the real truth is with so few text about it. We can only discuss possible truth. And if Ungoliant isn’t a Maia, what else do you think she might be. What other creatures came from the place she came from? The theory of Price Eldarion doesn’t make sense to me as well. Prince, you say that Ungoliant was ’born’ from the darkness and created by Melkor’s evil. But Melkor couldn’t create things. He could only corrupt and destroy them. If Ungoliant was created by Melkor’s evil, she wouldn’t have a will of her own, only the will of the mind of Melkor. But then she couldn’t rebel against her master, because she wanted to be master of her own desires and lust. And you say that you think descent means to be born from here. And indeed I think it means to come down. I cannot tell you which one is the right interpretation, but what I can say is that I chose my interpetation because I first read the Dutch translation of the Silmarillion, which says ’afdalen’, and that means to come down. But who knows, maybe they’ ve got it wrong too.    
Moros 28/Jun/2005 at 01:55 PM
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Yavannamire -- The only problem with what you just said is that if you continue to interpret the few flimsy proofs that have been provided in your own way and disregard what others have said to you, then there is no point in opening this thread. I do not mean to sound harsh, really, but if you will believe your own interpretation no matter what then why discuss it with people? It just makes little sense to me.
Modsognir 29/Jun/2005 at 05:02 AM
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Yavannamire, look, I don’t know what Ungoliant actually is, but I doubt that she is a Maia. I know, my theory is a crackpot thing that is like to those of wild and outlandish fantasy games, it was just an unthought out guess. It’s like the Nameless Things, what are they? I have once thought that they were descendants of Ungoliant, herself being an enigma of the likes of Tom Bombadil THE Enigma himself. From my past experiences on the Plaza, I’m just going to wait and see what Elenhir thinks. Could she be an actual spider? Not very likely but again, possible (I think, unless you’d all like to shoot this one down too).
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Yavannamírë, let me shed some light on Ungoliant for you.  In very early drafts, Tolkien gave many names to Ungoliant.  One in particular was Múru, which is Elvish for ’Primeval Night’ if I’m not mistaken.  She is like Tom Bombadil in many regards.  She could be just the representation of the above Primeval Night, which coexists with light, but fights against it.  However, if any answer lies in her origin, this quote seems to be a clue.  "’Evil is fissiparous. But itself barren. Melkor could not ’beget’ or have any spouse (though he attempted to ravish Arien, this was to destroy and ’distain’ her, not to beget fiery offspring). Out of the discords of the Music -sc. not directly out of either of the themes, Eru’s or Melkor’s, but out of their dissonance with regard to one another evil things appeared in Arda, which did not descend from any direct plan or vision of Melkor; they were not ’his children’ and therefore, since all evil hates, hated him too.’" (Myths Transformed, Morgoth’s Ring)
Modsognir 29/Jun/2005 at 12:42 PM
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Ha! My crackpot not-thought out theory was correct (I think, um, sort of)! But of this quote, does this mean that Iluvatar did not create these evil things? Or atleast he didn’t create them purposefully I think. But... then one can argue that Melkor created thes evil things (with the help of Iluvatar), since it was partly ’created’ from his Theme of the Music, of course with Iluvatars too.

Alcarináro 29/Jun/2005 at 03:59 PM
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Yavannamire, I know you did not say all that was corrupted was Ainur. I was addressing each of the bolded sections in Eldarion’s post, finding a way that they could all easily go together and end with Ungoliant not being of the Ainur.

About your second point, I am going to quote from the Silmarillion.
So came Tulkas the Strong, whose anger passes like a mighty wind, scattering cloud and darkness before it; and Melkor fled before his wrath and his laughter, and forsook Arda, and there was peace for a long age. And Tulkas remained and became one of the Valar of the Kingdom of Arda; but Melkor brooded in the outer darkness, and his hate was given to Tulkas for ever after.
This is the time I am referring to. Tulkas has already arrived. The Isle of Almaren has not yet been made, and that is what I am interpreting as the Kingdom of Manwe, for the only other time Melkor would have looked down upon Arda was after the War of Wrath (clearly not the time we are talking of!) and before Manwe had entered the World (clearly not the time either).

About proof, you are right. There is no proof for this matter. That is why I am opposed to the labelling of Ungoliant as a Maia. There is not even close to sufficient proof for that to be the case, so it should not be portrayed as the case. It’s the same reason why I am against labelling Bombadil as a Maia.

And yes, as Vugar has given a quote for, I regard Ungoliant as a side-effect of the Music.

Technically, Eldarion, you would be corrected in saying that Melkor made these things, but in the same way he made rain. Something that he did not expect happened, and unlike those things he made directly (the heats and colds) he has no power over it.
Modsognir 29/Jun/2005 at 05:04 PM
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So doesn’t that mean Elenhir, that the way Melkor made these Evil Things is the way that Iluvatar made them as well. Thus it would mean that it’s something that he did not expect happenned, and unlike those things he made directly (the heats and colds) he has no power over it. - So then could this mean that this was something that Iluvatar did not predict? Nor something he has power over (which we know that he has power of even Melkor: For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined The Silmarillion, Ainulindale, seems like he’s in control here, and Eru seems to be talking to Melkor here).
Yavannamírë 30/Jun/2005 at 01:40 AM
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All: Ok, you won in the case of Ungoliant. I was actually looking for a piece of text Vugar provided us. Lets just say that Ungoliant was not a Maia and leave her out of this topic for the rest of the time. I must give my compliments to Eldarion now, because his theory seemed to contain some truth after all. Well done    Eldarion

But now this is concluded, let us go back to the orriginal topic, because we’ve strayed off a little. Ungoliant was just an example of mine of how Maia could also have the shape of an animal. The orriginal topic for which I started this thread, was the fate of the great eagles of the first Age. Where have they gone? I said that it was possible that they were Ainur or Maia or whatever other spirit there may be, because this woould explain their long lifespan, and would also make it possible that they went to Valinor. Or were they just animals provided with a lot of strength and a very long lifespan, and eventually, while the Ages past, died?

I sorry to say that I can’t take part of the discussion anymore for a while because I’m going on holiday for three weeks, so I’ll be gone for a while. If you wish, continue the discussion and I’ll read what you had to say after my return. Or maybe I’ll restart the tread after three weeks. Thanks all and have fun! 

Ailios 01/Jul/2005 at 02:32 AM
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About Thorondor , maybe he died in the War.
Modsognir 01/Jul/2005 at 10:27 AM
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Ailios, though that is technically possible, I highly doubt it that he did (even though it does seem odd for an eagle to fight it out against a giant dragon!). First off, I think he only entered the War of Wrath in the very last day (unless he had droped by occasionly before) and so that would minimize the time able for him to die. Also, I think that Tolkien would have said something about it, had such a tragedy occured.
Alcarináro 01/Jul/2005 at 11:47 AM
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Eldarion, Thorondor would have entered with the Eagles, in the last stage of the War, but the last day I very much doubt. The War of Wrath was quite drawn out, just like the Battle of the Powers. The battle against the dragons I would think to take quite some time.
I do agree that if Thorondor had fallen in the War of Wrath that we would be told somewhere.
Modsognir 01/Jul/2005 at 12:09 PM
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But Earendil came, shining with white flame, and about Vingilot were gathered all the great birds of heaven and Thorondor was their captain, and there was battle in the air all day and through a dark night of doubt. Before the rising of the sun Earendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host, and cast hm from the sky; and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin. Then the sun rose, and the host of the Valar prevailed, - The Silmarillion, Of the voyage of Earendil and the war of wrath [my bold]

Elenhir, So, Earendil and the great birds with Thorondor at the lead flew in and battled in the air all day. THey also battled ’through a dark night of doubt’, through the night. During the night, probably a little before dawn Earendil slew Ancalagon and the towers of Thangorodrim broke. Then when the sun rose, the host of the Valar prevailed (to gain ascendancy through strength or superiority : TRIUMPH). So, as far as I see, the eagles battled less than a day, this is assuming that they came during about mid-day. A day tops though of fighting.

Moros 03/Jul/2005 at 10:53 PM
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Personally, I am of a mind that Thorondor returned to Valinor.

"For Manwe to whom all birds are dear, and to whom they bring news upon Taniquetil from Middle-earth, had sent forth the race of Eagles, comanding them to dwell in the crags of the North, and to keep watch upon Morgoth; for Manwe still had pity for the exiled Elves." (The Silmarillion, Of the Return of the Noldor)

This passage shows that the duty of the Eagles was to keep watch upon the North and Morgoth. I believe that after the war of Wrath and Morgoth’s defeat, the Thorondor and many of the Eagles returned to Valinor because their duty was fulfilled. It makes even more sense in my mind when we consider how much the Eagles did, or more importantly did not do, in later ages. Where they are fairly active in the First Age, they are wholly innactive in the Second Age and nearly unheard of in the Third Age, save for during the last few months of the War of the Ring. Their near-absence in Middle-earth would explain this inactivity, I believe, very well.

Also, I am fairly certain that Tolkien would have mentioned the death of such a pivitol character as Thorondor so I think it is safe to discout that theory.