Legolas’s horse

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Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 05:38 AM
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ok, pardon me if someone’s already asked this, I’m new, but why does Legolas’s horse in the movie have a saddle and bridle and all that? Legolas is supposed to ride bareback. It’s an elf thing, I think, they’re not supposed to need them, they can control the horse at least as well without all the tack.......... so why do they do it? can Orlando Bloom not ride bareback or something?

Rinavariel

lalahobbit 21/Feb/2003 at 05:45 AM
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I don’t know, thought that Elves did use saddle, bridle and tack.  I know that Shadowfax won’t let you put any on him.  Maybe getting confuded with that?  Honestly not sure though!
Anarya 21/Feb/2003 at 05:49 AM
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It does say it somewhere that they rode bareback, can’t remember where, and I know Shadowfax wouldn’t have any bridle and tack. Orlando was usually on the same horse with Gimli, Arod I think it the horse was called, but Orlando is no stunt man.
Brilparmaion 21/Feb/2003 at 05:55 AM
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After Eomer gives Hasufel and Arod to Aragorn and Legolas, Legolas has them take the bridle off. Then he states that he prefers not to have it. Then he hops on and invites gimli, etc. P.S. this was in answer to lalahobbit.

Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 06:10 AM
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I looked it up in the book, and it quite definitly says that Legolas took off the saddle and bridle before he mounted. And I don’t think you have to be a stunt man to ride bareback......

Not that I’ve ever done it myself, but I have a friend who rides bareback sometimes and she’s definitly not a stunt man.

I like your siggy, Brilparmaion.

Rinavariel

Thoronog 21/Feb/2003 at 06:22 AM
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Hello to all,

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that he was giving Gimli a ride most of the time and this way Gimli could hold on and stay put by holding the saddle instead of hugging Legolas who might not appreciate that at all   just a though.

 

Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 07:26 AM
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But Gimli holds on by hugging Legolas in the book.....
And anyway you don’t stay on a horse by holding onto the saddle, you hold on with your knees.


Rin
lotrlvr 21/Feb/2003 at 09:29 AM
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 Well.. in the lord of the rings the two towers book..  ( Which I have just read) That when Eomer gave them the horses Legolas asked him if he could take the saddle and stuff because it was an elf thing that they can ride better or something lioke that without a saddle... I don’t know if that was the EXACT words... but i’m sure it went something like that I hope that this answers your question_Rinavariel_
Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 09:40 AM
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I know that’s what the book says. Was my question not clear? Because what I meant was, he doesn’t have the saddle and bridle in the book (I looked to make sure before I posted my question) but he does in the movie, and was there a reason for this or did P.J. overlook something?

Rina
Thoronog 21/Feb/2003 at 10:13 AM
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Suil _Rinavariel_,

>you hold on with your knees.< yes you’re quite correct on that point.  But you seem to be forgetting that Gimli is a Dwraf so that being said his size makes it a huge problem for him to ride a horse by himself and while getting a ride the only things he can hold on to are either the saddle or Legolas because his legs are not long enough for him to use his knees.

Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 10:27 AM
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Another thing: I’m not trying to be difficult, but you don’t ’hold on’ to a saddle; you put your feet in the stirrups, sure, but the rest is knees and balance. And most saddles only have one pair of stirrups, no? And since Legolas rides in front, I expect he has the stirrups, so the saddle wouldn’t be much help to Gimli, would it? or am I out to lunch?

Rina
Ethuil Fanulios 21/Feb/2003 at 10:52 AM
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Being a rider myself, I have to state that it’s not much more difficult riding without a saddle than with one, and I’m sure Orlando could have pulled it off without difficulty, but riding without a bridle... now that’s an entirely different thing, I assure you. That leaves you without any other means of controlling the horse other than voice and weight, and you either have to be very experience or have an incredibly obedient (=dull ) horse to be able to do that.

Maybe the movie makers thought it was easiest to keep it all on due to these reasons; I mean, since riding without a bridle is pretty much impossible, it would make no sense having Legolas taking off the saddle alone... then again, they could have had him sit across a mock horse, like Liv Tyler, or a barrel, like Ian McKellen. 

Thoronog 21/Feb/2003 at 11:02 AM
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Suil _Rinavariel_,

That’s my point exactly!  Since Legolas is the rider he sits on the saddle and uses the stirrups, since Gimli is the passenger per say he has to be on the back either holding on to Legolas or grabbing the saddle with his hands in order to maintain balance since his legs are to short for him to use his knees.  Again this is only my opinion I could so easily be way off .  But it sure makes for a good debate

 

Vetiliel 21/Feb/2003 at 11:33 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by Anarya on Friday, February 21, 2003
It does say it somewhere that they rode bareback, can’t remember where, and I know Shadowfax wouldn’t have any bridle and tack. Orlando was usually on the same horse with Gimli, Arod I think it the horse was called, but Orlando is no stunt man.

Yeah riding bare back isn’t easy, can’t have a graceful elf always fallin of his horse. He be so bruised up and he could get really hurt. I know I was riding a horse and it got startled I couldn’t get him to stop cantering and so I tried to bail off but when I hit the ground I banged my head really hard and got knocked out. Luckily I had a helmet on an only recieved a minor concussion. But We can’t have Legolas going around in a riding helmet now can we. Boy that would be a site.
Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 12:08 PM
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Ok, well, they could keep a siple bridle maybe, but I still don’t see how the saddle would help Gimli much. The saddles I’v seen don’t have much in the way of things to hold on to in the back anyway . And I still don’t see why they couldn’t have Gimli hang onto Legolas. He does in the books and Legolas (in the book anyway) doesn’t do any fighting from the horse, so Gimli wouldn’t be too much in the way.

Ethuil: what fun is a mock horse?  If I’d been playing Arwen I’d have insisted on a real horse!

Vetiliel: I agree, Legolas in a riding helmet would be a little strange! but look at all the other things they did with computers -- they could have edited it out or something! Lol, jk.

Rina

Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 12:09 PM
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Sorry, that should have been a ’simple’ bridle..... darn this keyboard!

Rina

Keet Xeitl 21/Feb/2003 at 12:17 PM
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I’m pretty sure it had to do with gimli’s size double who could not hold on with his legs. They probably made a special saddle for him to be able to sit comfortably. 
Ethuil Fanulios 21/Feb/2003 at 01:01 PM
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_Rinavariel_: I would have insisted on a real horse, too... but maybe she was too much of a chicken (no offense... it takes a lot of guts to ride a speeding horse through a forest, believe me), or the movie makes were worried she might get hurt...

Speaking of which, if you are to ride behind a person, like Gimli does, it is much, and I say much more comfortable without a saddle. If you have a saddle, the person sitting at the back will end up sitting behind it, and that mean you get the edge of it in your stomach constantly. That is not very comfortable, so my guess is that it would have been less trouble for Gimli to go without. Unless, of course, that made him bounce around so much (yes, that can happen) that he was clinging really hard to Legolas and hence pulled him off, too... it’s been known to happen... 

Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 01:14 PM
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That’s more or less what I was thinking, Ethuil! It is nice to find someone who agrees with me!
They could always teach her to ride..........
Oh, and you can leave off the _ things when you talk to me.... I didn’t really want them there in the first place but someone else had my name.....

Rina
Evenstar138 21/Feb/2003 at 01:31 PM
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Maybe the movie makers thought it was easiest to keep it all on due to these reasons; I mean, since riding without a bridle is pretty much impossible, it would make no sense having Legolas taking off the saddle alone... then again, they could have had him sit across a mock horse, like Liv Tyler, or a barrel, like Ian McKellen. 

 

** did shadow fax have a bridle in the movie? I can’t remember.  I thought "gandalf" rode him without any tack whatsoever..(although in some scenes, I saw him holding onto something underneath his robe.lol.  Being a rider and watching these movies is great.  I want to meet the trainer of the horses in the battle @ helms deep.**

Aureus Aeolus 21/Feb/2003 at 01:45 PM
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I have several theories to that question. I know that elves do ride bareback, and that Gandalf rides Shadowfax bareback because he won’t have a saddle or bridle. I think the main reason why Legolas’s horse had a saddle and bridle was because Orlando Bloom could not ride bareback and they had to have him riding. Also, in the fight scenes the horses have to dodge back and foreth quickly, and since I have been riding horses for about eight years I can tell you that it would be hard to stay on bareback! Peter Jackson couldn’t have Orlando Bloom falling off and getting all bruised up.
babeyboo 21/Feb/2003 at 01:53 PM
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i think pj gave legolas’s horse a saddle for two reasons 1) because gandalf was already going to be riding shadowfax without a saddle or bridle and people who hadnt read the book and were just movie fans might have thought it was a bit far fetched and 2) imagine how hard it would be covering up a saddle and bridle when both legolas and gimli wee riding the horse it would have been very diificult and legolas would have had nothing to grab onto when he swung onto it
Keet Xeitl 21/Feb/2003 at 01:58 PM
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well even though he wasn’t supposed to have a saddle it’s not far out there for an elf to have a saddle. Glorfindel has a saddle in the book.
Vanaatheil 21/Feb/2003 at 03:24 PM
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Well riding without a saddle is not so hard for one rider, it may be difficult for two. ie: the double for Gimli. And I agree, riding without a bridle is very difficult. And did anyone notice how Legolas rode with saddle and gandalf didn’t. (I know there was a saddle there and it was hidden by his cloak. They were trying to make it appear as if there was none) What’s with that? My friend suggested it had to do with Orlando’s fall. Gimli’s double knocked him off the horse (accidently!) and the poor guy broke a rib. Maybe after that he didn’t want to try bareback!
LúthienElanessë 21/Feb/2003 at 03:30 PM
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Orlando had been tort to ride bareback by the way but again I think Peter Jackson was trying to make everything as safe as possible which is good otherwise Orlando might of slipped of and hurt himself badly.

Well after that fall I think Peter wouldn’t let him ride bareback again

Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 03:34 PM
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Wow, I never thought I’d get such a big responce! Thanks you guys! I still think they shouldn’t have put a saddle on the horse but I see that there are legitamate reasons why they did it.
I didn’t know Orlando had falled and broken a rib...... I can see he might not want to ride bareback after that.

Rina
Annika 21/Feb/2003 at 03:35 PM
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Yikes, what is my spelling coming to? I mean ’fallen’, I hope you know that!

Rin
Unedia 21/Feb/2003 at 03:43 PM
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Hey...don’t diss Orlando!!

I think elves can ride bareback if they want...I would assume that anyway.  I don’t think it’s ever specifically mentioned.

Unedia

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Findolin 21/Feb/2003 at 04:12 PM
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I think the only reason that Legolas used the horse that they got from Eomir was because it already came with all the gear on it.  Maybe Gimli wanted it on when he rode with Legolas and there are some cases where elves use saddles.  Arwen did it in the first movie.
Senshua Kaede 21/Feb/2003 at 07:05 PM
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      Elves uses saddles and such only Gandalf didn’t because Shadowfax just came out of nowhere and heck, where are they going to get a new saddle?!
Annika 22/Feb/2003 at 06:58 AM
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Acalevia: Gandalf didn’t use saddle or bridle because Shadowfax wouldn’t wear them. He went fine without but if Gandalf had tried to make him wear them they wouldn’t have gotten anywhere. In the book, at least.

Findolin: ok, maybe Arwen does, but that can’t possibly be based on the book because in the book the only time she rides is at the very end of ROTK and it doesn’t mention saddles one way or the other.

Rina
SindarinPrinces 22/Feb/2003 at 08:17 AM
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I’m not very bright, so feel free to ignore me. In the book, Legolas rides bareback, not only because of his elven grace, but because of the elven way with animals. Surely this is significant, later the horses don’t want to enter the Paths of the Dead but thanks to Legolas’ ’way with animals’ they do...so having him ride bareback is handy to further demonstrate this.

I’m guessing he doesn’t in the film because they don’t want anything to happen to Orlando(and neither do I!)or beacuse they didn’t have room for the scene where Legolas asked for it to be removed(they don’t want to complicate things, they might lose precious Aragorn/ simpering Arwen scenes)OR because they already have Gandalf riding bareback and want to make him and Shadowfax look ’special’ by being the only ones who ride that way, to make it stand out more( again, they want to simplify things, don’t want a lengthy explanation that Shadowfax(being special and important) won’t let anyone ride him unless he wants them to, in which case he doesn’t need a saddle ect,. Meaning in Arod/Legolas’ case he’s the special reason for no saddle, whereas in Shadowfax/Gandalf Shadpwfax is the special reason...see, much simpler just to have Gandalf be the only bareback rider isn’t it?)

Sheesh, that was a lengthy explanation, please understand I wasn’t deliberately streching it for points(really I wasn’t!) I’m just not very good at compressing what I say...

Thanks for listening/reading

Thoronog 22/Feb/2003 at 08:59 AM
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Also we must keep in mind that the bareback riding only happens with Gandalf on TTT and not on LOTR.  If we can think back to the first movie he did not have Shadowfax, and we did see him riding from place to place a fair bit.  Also looking back into the boocks it goes into great detail about how Shadowfax can almost read the mind of the person riding him therefore no need for the bridle cause he knows what you want him to do.
Arien Glaur 24/Feb/2003 at 12:48 PM
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The Rohirrim ride their horses with saddles so i guess when they gave Arod to Legolas he did not take off the saddle...
Durbatuluk 24/Feb/2003 at 03:21 PM
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He didn’t take off the saddle because Gimli wouldn’t let him, he wasn’t in the mood for hugging Elves, you know, he’s more likely to chop off their heads.

Anyway, bare back would mean Orlando would need a stunt man, AND a dummy, you just don’t double up when riding bare back

~*~Andborwen~*~ 24/Feb/2003 at 05:07 PM
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Maybe PJ thought Orlando Bloom could not ride without a saddle!!! Which is odd because I have ridden without a saddle and its NOT that hard!!!!