Inter-Kingdom Debate, Season II
A special note on Seasons One and Two: It appears the first two seasons of debate were very chaotic and quite different from three, four, and five. Instead of only four people per side, there was six. There appears to have been no word limit, or a limit on posting times (ie You must post within 30 hours), and the judge closed the debate as he or she saw fit. Also, the debates were judged on a scale of 100 instead of on a scale of twenty. However, each piece was not judged individually on a scale of 100, but all six pieces were judged on that scale (or the 100 points were split between the two teams. The rule and the practice of it seem slightly off, or the wording is bad.). In Season One the judge was not required to post the scores of the teams either, adding some confusion! The debate pieces were much smaller than they are currently and were only required to have one quote from a standard canon book. There were no semi-finals, or finals, the scores of the teams were added up after seven rounds, and the team with the highest score was the debate champion. The archives get sketchy the further back I go, so I doubt I will be able to find all of season two, and I doubt I will find much of season one. One final note, up to now the order in which I listed the teams indicated who was prop. and who was opp. (For instance if Rivvy was at MT, Rivvy was prop. and MT was opp.) That does not hold any longer, for it does not appear in the first two seasons that the visiting team was always given prop.
Round One
Fangorn at Mordor
Topic: Legolas played a more important role in the Fellowship than Gimli.
Link: Fangorn vs Mordor
Winner: Fangorn
Isengard at Minas Tirith
Topic: Fingolfin should have turned back and returned to Valinor after Feanor betrayed him and burned the Teleri ships.
Link: Isengard vs MT
Winner: Isengard
Rivendell at Khazad-dum
Topic: Unknown
Link:Unknown
Winner: Rivendell
Rohan at the Shire
Topic: Unknown
Link:Unknown
Winner: Rohan
Round Two
Rivendell at Minas Tirith
Topic: Pippin was more important than Merry in the Fellowship and over all.
Link: Rivvy vs MT
Winner: Rivendell (woot!)
The Shire at Fangorn
Topic: Gandalf should have paid more attention to what was happening in all of Middle-earth.
Link: Shire vs Fangorn
Winner: The Shire
Rohan at Mordor
Topic: Some Elves were unworthy of the privilege of being entitled to pass into the West.
Link: Rohan vs Mordor
Winner: Rohan
Isengard at Khazad-dum
Topic: If Gorlim had not betrayed Barahir’s hiding place, Beren would not have met Luthien.
Link: Isengard vs KD
Winner: Khazad-dum
Round Three
Khazad-dum at Mordor
Topic: The deterioration of the realms of Arnor and Gondor was due more to internal strife than Sauron and his forces’ attacks.
Link: KD vs Mordor
Winner: Khazad-dum
Fangorn at Minas Tirith
Topic: Gondolin could have remained safe for a longer period of time if Turgon had aided his fellow Elves in their wars.
Link: Fangorn vs MT
Winner: Minas Tirith
Rohan at Rivendell
Topic: Unknown
Link: Unknown
Winner: Rivendell
Isengard at the Shire
Topic: Unknown
Link: Unknown
Winner: Isengard
Round Four
Fangorn at Rohan
Topic: If Gandalf had not gone to Dol Guldur and met Thrain there, the quest or Erebor would never have succeeded.
Link: Fangorn vs Rohan
Winner: Fangorn
The Shire at Mordor
Topic: Gandalf should have been the head of the White Council.
Link: Shire vs Mordor
Winner: The Shire
Minas Tirith at Khazad-dum
Topic: Saruman would not have become so powerful had it not been for Grima’s assistance.
Link: MT vs KD
Winner: Khazad-dum
Rivendell at Isengard
Topic: The Valar should have attacked Morgoth immediately after the Two Trees were destroyed.
Link: Rivvy vs Isengard
Winner: Isengard
Round Five
Minas Tirith at the Shire
Topic: Aragorn was wrong to let Frodo go off alone at Parth Galen.
Link: MT vs Shire
Winner: The Shire
Khazad-dum at Rohan
Topic: Bilbo should have told the Company about the Ring and its powers immediately after he found it.
Link: KD vs Rohan
Winner: Khazad-dum( I think)
Fangorn at Isengard
Topic: Luthien was the most influential female of the First Age, disregarding Valar and Maiar.
Link: Fangorn vs Isengard
Winner: Isengard
Mordor at Rivendell
Topic: Unknown
Link: Unknown
Winner: Rivendell
Round Six
Khazad-dum at Fangorn
Topic: Fingolfin was foolish to challenge Morgoth.
Link: KD vs Fangorn
Winner: Fangorn
Rohan at Minas Tirith
Topic: Sauron could have modelled a lieutenant in the same way that Morgoth created him.
Link: Rohan vs MT
Winner: Minas Tirith
Rivendell at the Shire
Topic: The Hobbits of the Shire could have helped more in the War of the Ring.
Link: Rivvy vs Shire
Winner: The Shire
Mordor at Isengard
Topic: Unknown
Link: Unknown
Winner: Isengard
Round Seven
Mordor at Minas Tirith
Topic: Frodo, Sam, and Gollum, should not have been taken by Faramir’s men.
Link: Mordor vs MT
Winner: Minas Tirith
Isengard at Rohan
Topic: Thorin Oakenshield did more harm than good during the last week of his life."
Link: Isengard vs Rohan
Winner: Rohan
The Shire at Khazad-dum
Topic: Unknown
Link: Unknown
Winner: Draw
Fangorn at Rivendell
Topic: Unknown
Link: Unknown
Winner: Fangorn
Khazad-dum was the Debate Champion of Season Two.
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