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  Tyrhael Posted: 29/Nov/2006 at 5:15am
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   Thorsten ( 2656 Points ) Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 06:56
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There is a world outside the plaza - and in fact, that’s where most of Elvish takes place. So - let’s bring some of it in!

This thread is for interesting bits of news from the outside world - please share interesting discoveries from other websites!

Thread do and don’ts:

Please do:

* keep an eye on what’s going on on ELFling, Lambengolmor, Ardalambion and so on and post the results of interesting discussions, errata and so on

* make sure that links to sites you’re posting lead to sites which have a serious discussion based on Tolkien’s Elvish - the tell-tale are usually references (like VT42:11) which reveal to people where to find the information in Tolkien’s works.

* keep us informed about new publications of Vinyar Tengwar, Parma Eldalamberon and such like and what to find in them.

Please don’t:

* add your comments or questions here - people should learn here what’s new, not what you think of it (if necessary, open your own thread for comments and ask questions in the Language Helpdesk)

As of November 27, Christopher Gilson has published issue #16 of Parma Eldalamberon for $30, containing (among other things) drafts of Tolkien’s early Qenya poetry, Qenya declensions and conjugations, and alphabets pre-dating the Tengwar (in the external timeline, anyway).

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Imp of Umbar
  Tyrhael Posted: 19/Dec/2006 at 8:39am
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As of Dec. 18th, Carl F. Hostetter, editor of Vinyar Tengwar, has uploaded the very interesting and erudite essay Elvish as She is Spoke to the Articles page of the Elvish Linguistic Fellowship.
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Mercenary of Minas Tirith
  Elrond of Rivendell Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 12:00am
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i can't seem to open it without getting a bunch of stuff like this:

~~##@^%$*$$@$@$%@%265

and not one letter!

What do I do?
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  Tyrhael Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 1:40am
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Tindomul, I assume you're talking about Elvish as She is Spoke? It's a PDF file, and attempting to read it in something like Microsoft Word will appear as gibberish. Do you have Adobe Reader or any other program for reading PDF files? Adobe Reader is available for free, legal download here.
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  Elrond of Rivendell Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 1:41am
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Thanks, Tyrhael. and yes, that is the file I am talking about.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 13/Apr/2007 at 1:29am
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I've forgotten to update this thread as of March! Since then (out of chronological order):

Thorsten Renk has written an article on Vanyarin Quenya on his site Parma Tyelpelassiva.

Thorsten Renk has written an article on Agental suffixes and gender distinction in the Qenya Lexicon on his site (see above).

Omentielva Tatya is coming up in August, and is therefore still calling for papers.

Thorsten Renk (with the help of others) has been continuing discussions about the neo-Elvish dialogue from the movies on the Elfling discussion list.

The Collected Vinyar Tengwar Vol. 1 is now available (see Lambengolmor and VT Web Shop).

Roman Rausch has written an article analyzing the Elvish names from volumes 6, 7, and 8 of HoME. See Lambengolmor and article on his site Sindanórië.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 07/May/2007 at 2:43am
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Carl Hostetter has proclaimed in Lambengolmor 1001 that he plans to publish Vinyar Tengwar 49 at the end of May. Members of ELF should check their subscriptions to see when they run out, as those whose subscriptions ran out with issue 48 will only have about 2 weeks in order to order the single issue.

For further information, read the link above.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 20/May/2007 at 7:01am
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Helge Fauskanger has released a version of his new neo-Sindarin wordlist Parviphith; see Elfling 34101 for details.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 10/Jun/2007 at 2:53pm
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Carl Hostetter has announced on Lambengolmor 1003 that the latest issue of Vinyar Tengwar (#49) will be coming out on June 18th. It will contain the third part of Patrick Wynne's Eldarin Hands, Fingers, & Numerals, and (more excitingly) an appendix on the verb "to be", five volitive phrases using nai, and the inflections of Q. pronominal suffixes from the 1960s!! beam
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  Harlindon Posted: 18/Jun/2007 at 11:39pm
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Well, it hasn't been posted yet so I guess I'll post it - VT #49 came out yesterday!!! Hopefully, someone who has subscribed will post information from it here on the plaza.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 19/Jun/2007 at 7:15am
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I think the actual delivery by mail might take a while, and that's why we haven't heard anything about it yet. Thumbs%20Up
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  Harlindon Posted: 19/Jun/2007 at 7:18am
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Tyrhael: I figuredThumbs%20Up I probably should have used 'published' instead of 'came out'...  Genius
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  Tyrhael Posted: 22/Jun/2007 at 7:06am
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Because of request, Carl Hostetter has compiled a Special Series of Vinyar Tengwar, so one can buy issues 43-44, 45-46, or 47-49 separately without having to buy the entire 41-49. See Lambengolmor 1006. They are available at the VT Web Shop here. Thumbs%20Up
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  Harlindon Posted: 25/Jun/2007 at 5:59am
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H.F. has posted his thoughts about the new VT 49 on elfing. (LINK <-) In his post, he reveals many of the things it contains (you won't have to bribe, Tyrhael!)
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  capomaster Posted: 25/Jun/2007 at 7:18am
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He is rigth!
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  Harlindon Posted: 25/Jun/2007 at 7:29am
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Tyrhael has posted a "Gnomish Botany" to counter D.S.'s Qenya botany on Elfling (LINK < )
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  Tyrhael Posted: 15/Jul/2007 at 4:52am
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The existence of a ?new? (well, I've never heard of it!) Tolkienian language, Mágo / Mágol, which is like Hungarian in phonological and grammatical style, has been mentioned on Lambengolmor 1012.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 01/Aug/2007 at 2:19am
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According to Lambengolmor 1014, the first volume of Arda Philology (in which some of the proceedings of Omentielva Minya can be found) is being published and can be bought online through the Omentielva website.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 08/Aug/2007 at 4:41am
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Thorsten Renk has changed his site Parma Tyelpelassiva to include an updated version of his article on the Q(u)enya Past Tense, and added an essay on the origin of the use of the ómatehtar mode for Sindarin.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 14/Aug/2007 at 5:50am
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More Parma Tyelpelassiva news — Thorsten has rewritten his 'Impersonal Constructions in Elvish' article (found here), made a 'Q(u)enya Minor Phrase Index' here, and listed 52 plausible ways of saying "I love you" in Quenya here.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 15/Aug/2007 at 5:47am
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Helge Fauskanger has uploaded two of B.J. Ward's essays on Quenya Pronouns and Derivation in Khuzdul to his site (Ardalambion). And, totally unexpected, Helge says that Bill Welden handed out copies of PE17 (not even announced yet!) at the latest Omentielva, containing "200+ pages of post-LotR information ... [and] Tolkien's own comments on the various samples of "exotic" languages in the LotR", including some new information about Khuzdul. See Elfling #34301!
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  Tyrhael Posted: 23/Aug/2007 at 8:40am
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Helge Fauskanger gives a bit more background on some of the information within PE17 here — it looks like this issue will be a must-have for those interested in the languages!
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  Tyrhael Posted: 25/Aug/2007 at 7:36pm
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Eluchil on the Minas Tirith forums quotes Bertrand Bellet as to what is contained in PE17 here. It looks like this issue will be a definite necessity!

Partial synopsis:

Parma Eldalamberon 17, "Words, phrases & passages in various tongues in The Lord of the Rings", 220 pages
  • etymologies of a lot of names appearing in LotR (end of 60s). For instance, Asfaloth "sunlit foam", lebethron definitely linked to "five", Aragorn "Revered king".
  • "some" more on omentielmo / omentielvo and vanimalda / vanimelda.
  • comparative in Eldarin speeches
  • personal and possessive in Quenya
  • Sindarin conjugations for the two verbal classes
  • a chart of Sindarin possessive suffixes
  • some stuff on Sindarin mutation
  • some stuff on plural (class-plural or "normal" plural)
  • adverbial formation
  • lexical derivation
  • conjugations, e.a. (present) of -a Quenya verbs
  • analysis of Black Speech and Khuzdul sentences in LotR
  • some new roots and stems, with their derivatives
Also, paraphrasing Helge Fauskanger's tidbits here and here, we can add:
  • some new information about Khuzdul and the Black Speech
  • samples and phrases in LotR analyzed word-by-word by Tolkien himself 
  • bits of general non-linguistic lore, for example on the manifestations of the Ainur, or Sauron's original name
Hopefully it will be available to buy soon! It looks like this issue could change neo-Sindarin usage just as VT49 did for neo-Quenya. beam
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  Tyrhael Posted: 27/Aug/2007 at 4:31am
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... aaaaaaaannnnd we have PE17 announced and available! See Elfling 34326 for further information.


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  Taurëllo Posted: 30/Aug/2007 at 8:45am
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Tyrhael: I was browsing here a couple weeks ago and saw a post saying something to the effect that with the new Vinya Tengwar, the whole Quenya grammar would have to be re-done or something like that.....So...Where can I find an up-to-date and corect source to learn Quenya??
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  Tyrhael Posted: 30/Aug/2007 at 11:06pm
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Well, Taurëllo, not the whole Quenya grammar, but certainly a good chunk of it. And it looks like the new Parma Eldalamberon will make other changes necessary as well. The course that I would have previously recommended is Thorsten Renk's Quetin i lambe eldaiva, but as it's very long I can imagine that any updates to it will take him a while. He's been updating and incorporating new information into a few of his articles already, though, like his Quenya Past Tense one.

So at the moment I don't exactly think there's an up-to-date complete course. Genius Though if I get some more free time (once PE17 arrives and I've read it) I might make a list of things that need to be updated — I had done so already, but before VT49, so my list is a little outdated.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 02/Sep/2007 at 4:54pm
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Thorsten Renk has updated his article The Sindarin Past Tense to include and reflect upon new information from PE17. On another note, those without PE17 can get a glimpse of what is included both on recent Elfling posts and on this thread on the German Tolkien-language forum Mellyn Lammath.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 3:51am
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As posted on Elfling 34391, Thorsten Renk has written an article on the Quenya Perfect Tense here due to new information in PE17, and has updated the Quenya Minor Phrases index to include those from PE17 as well.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 05/Oct/2007 at 8:08am
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Bertrand Bellet has written a post entitled Vocalisation of implosive stops in Noldorin and Sindarin as found in Lambengolmor 1029.

There is probably other relevant Elvish News going on that I haven't thought of — feel free to post if you can think of something.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 08/Oct/2007 at 2:54am
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1) Helios De Rosario Martínez has a new article entitled Rúmilian Numerals on Tengwestië, according to Lambengolmor 1031.
2) Carl Hostetter comments on VT and PE errata on Lambengolmor 1027.
3) Roman Rausch, according to Elfling 34482, has updated his website Sindanórië to include updates to his article on words in RS/TI/WR, a rewritten article on Quenya adjective agreement, and a new article on a Goldogrin historical phonology.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 06/Jan/2008 at 2:59am
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For those not watching Elfling:
1) Thorsten Renk now has a new version of his neo-Sindarin course Pedin Edhellen available on his site Parma Tyelpelassiva, cf. Elfling 34670.
2) Roman Rausch has two new articles on his site Sindanórie, dealing with the early Noldorin past tense as well as the diphthongs 'ei' and 'ai' in Noldorin and Sindarin.
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  Tyrhael Posted: 26/Jan/2008 at 12:00pm
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I suppose I forgot to mention that John Rateliff's History of the Hobbit, Part Two: Return to Bag End contains a lengthy tengwar specimen (from the late 1930s?) — it's classified as DTS 71. In Elfscript2 69, J. "Mach" Wust calls it "the third-longest tengwar text".
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  Tyrhael Posted: 04/Apr/2008 at 11:31am
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Another event of note — in similar vein as his Goldogrin historical phonology, Roman Rausch (our own Aranhael) has now presented a new article on Sindanórie entitled Historical phonologies of Early Ilkorin/Telerin/Noldorin, as stated on Elfling 34767. Thumbs%20Up
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  Tyrhael Posted: 29/Aug/2008 at 1:02pm
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I have probably missed / forgotten pieces for 'Elvish News' between now and April but cannot think of them; however, Magnus Åberg's newly-updated article on Khuzdul was announced yesterday on Elfling 35062 and can be found on Mellonath Daeron.
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  Tinu Posted: 03/Dec/2008 at 10:43pm
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Roman Rausch has a new article on Sindanórië, On the different forms of "we" in Eldarin as stated on Elfling#35112.
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Apprentice of the Four Farthings
  theringofdestiny Posted: 28/Apr/2009 at 1:37pm
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This might be quite off the subject but I have often read that Tolkien got most of his inspiration for elvish from Neolithic Welsh and during his studies at Oxford when he was taking comparitive philology for welsh he was so influenced by the language that he created his own
here is a link describing more in depth what I have breifly discussed http://www.elvish.org/resources.html
hope this helps us all to see the reason for this very interesting little creation of tolkiens .
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  theringofdestiny Posted: 28/Apr/2009 at 1:43pm
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Tolkien also here discovered "for the the first time the study of a language out of mere love"(Joseph Wright, A Primer of the Gothic Language. Oxford, 1892)
 
This might also help us to understand the passion that J.R.R. Tolkien had for linguistics and the art of languages which has greatly influenced me and my studies in the modern germanic laguage.
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Forester of Lothlorien
  emane Posted: 06/Jun/2009 at 7:17am
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I love all these sites!
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New Soul
  elisauro Posted: 31/Dec/2009 at 6:23am
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who speak  sindarin or elvish here  ? or if u know somebody that speak sindarin or elvish
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  Lúthien Tinúviel Posted: 31/Dec/2009 at 6:55am
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Originally posted by elisauro

who speak  sindarin or elvish here  ? or if u know somebody that speak sindarin or elvish

Some of us do, but around here, speaking myspace language is not exactly polite. Just letting you know.
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Needleworker of Mirkwood
  shell11 Posted: 24/Jan/2010 at 9:41pm
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has anybody got any literature i can read on writing tengwar
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  atwe_reborn Posted: 25/Jan/2010 at 1:45am
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Hi shell11, I recommend to visit the website Amanye Tenceli on the address http://at.mansbjorkman.net
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http://www.eldarinwiki.com
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Mandos
  Lord of the Rings Posted: 29/Jan/2010 at 5:11am
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Parma Eldalamberon 14 is going to be reprinted- see here. They say it will be ready for shipping on February 8.


Edited by Lord of the Rings - 29/Jan/2010 at 5:12am
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  halfir Posted: 29/Jan/2010 at 4:57pm
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Thanks for the 'heads -up'. Thumbs UpI only hope their response time is better than that which I experienced for PE17, which took nearly three months to arrive!
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  Lord of the Rings Posted: 30/Jan/2010 at 8:50am
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I got PE 18 in just a couple of weeks, much faster than my PE 17 (which I think was also several months, like you). I'm pretty optimistic that they'll be on top of things for this reprint as well (I'll find out, as I've preordered myself a copy).
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