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Tolkien's involvement with the war effort was revealed for the first time this week in a new exhibition at GCHQ, the new name for GCCS, the Government's spy base in Cheltenham, Glos. 'While he didn't sign up as was probably intended, he did complete three days' training and was 'keen' to do more.''Why he failed to join remains a mystery. There is no paperwork suggesting a motive, so we can only assume that he wanted to concentrate on his writing career.'' John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, or 'JRR' Tolkien as he became known, was among a string of intellectuals singled out for service by the Foreign Office. The GCCS began preparing for a second World War in the late 1930s, and knew the importance of establishing a codebreaking centre to defeat the German forces. The director of GCCS, known only as 'Alastair G Denniston', drew up a list of 50 possible candidates ''earmarked for service'' in the event of war. Denniston was given the names by dons at Britain's two leading universities, Oxford and Cambridge, whom had worked with the Government in the First World War. Tolkien, a professor of Anglo Saxon at Oxford from 1925 to 1945, and professor of English Language and Literature from 1945 to 1959, was put forward. In a letter to the Foreign Office dated 25 November 1938, Denniston says: ''I have been in touch with both universities and have established direct contact through dons who worked with us during the war, so that now we have a list of about 50 men earmarked for service under the Foreign Office in the event of war. ''I enclose a copy of this list so that you may know the type of men we intend to get.'' Tolkien and 12 others agreed to a ''tester'' day at GCCS HQ in London, where he was given training in Scandinavian languages and Spanish. He visited the base for three consecutive days between March 27th and March 29th 1939 - six months before the war broke out. A record of his training carries the word ''keen'' beside his name. Those who passed the course, and agreed to sign-up, were offered an annual wage of £500 - the equivalent of around £50,000 today. But Tolkien - who is assumed to have passed the course with flying colours - rejected the offer.
The historian joked: ''We simply don't know why he didn't join. Perhaps it was
because we declared war on Germany and not Mordor.'' Isn't it odd that Tolkien, being so famously short of cash that he had to mark papers during vacation would turn down the equivalent of £50 grand a year? |
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I doubt it considering Letter 390- "I do not really belong inside my invented history; and do not wish to!" |
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I'm a little dubious about some of the details here, but I don't have documentary evidence to hand. It would of course have been obvious by March 1939 that any future war was going to be with Germany.
I also question the equivalence of £500 then to £50 000 now - more like £15 000 - a living wage, but not much more.
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I was a bit uncertain about that figure myself - mainly surprised that the Government had that kind of money available. All H&S mention for March 27th 1939 is that Tolkienbegan a four day training course in cryptography on that day. Was his income as an Oxford professor higher than £15k then? Also, am I right in assuming that he would have had to live 'on site' at Bletchey Park? |
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One of many things I don't know about this is whether or not this had anything to do with Bletchley Park. If there was a requirement that he not only move but live in the more-than-Trappist seclusion of Bletchley and the total secrecy required, that might explain reluctance. Otherwise, even thouh £500 was by no means a fortune, it would have made a significant addition to even an Oxford Professor's salary, which at that time I'd expect to be something like £900 to £1 000.
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The historian joked: ''We simply don't know why he didn't join. Perhaps it was because we declared war on Germany and not Mordor.''
I love little tidbits like this in articles - all the interesting nuances of history. The historian was likely attempting a joke at Tolkien getting lost in his own fantasy world, but there is also a funny historical meaning. Leading up to both world wars Germany had hoped Britain would side with them because of their historical family ties (Hanovers) and mutual admiration for eachother.
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Ah yes. The Silmarillion Code (if Dan Brown can make millions, why not us??)
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That's what I often think to myself. The entire shelf of Dan Brown rip-offs in WH Smiths is proof enough. |
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The irritating thing is, I'm sure I read ages ago that T. 'did not take up Government work, as many dons did' (paraphrase from memory, 'but joined the ARP. And I'm just as sure that code breaking was mentioned; in keeping with T.'s abilities. Years ago, this was. But can I remember where I read it!?
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I'm not sure that Tolkien actually joined the ARP, though he certainly did (ias I recollect - ask me not where) fire-watching - but that was more a sort of community obligation. I should imagine that all the dons took turns.
But of course there is that 2nd edition foreword statement:
... a war which it was my task to conduct, or at least to report ....
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Hmm... higher and deeper and darker...
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Our own Findegil addressed this question on another forum. I hope I'm not being remiss in quoting it in full:
See our J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide: Chronology, pp. 224 (January 1939, Tolkien agrees to work in the cryptography department of the Foreign Office in the event of war), 226 (27 March 1939, Tolkien begins a four-day training course), 232 (October 1939, Tolkien is informed that he will not be required to work as a cryptographer). See also Letters, note for letter 35, p. 436. Wayne & Christina - it was that note to that letter which I remembered!
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If we than take a further look on letters written whithin 1939 we will find letter 37 from 19 December 1939, where Tolkien informes Stanley Unwin that he had an accident just before the outbreak of the war (war broke out 1 September 1939) and that that took some time to heal and that his wife was quite ill too - they feared for a while it would be cancer. We will also find letters to Christopher Tolkien later during the war, where J.R.R. Tolkien said that he would now in this war be a better soldier than he had been in the WWI. (I don't remember the number of that letter right now, but I think it was one of thoses send to Christopher when he was in South Africa) Considering all that information I would think that it was a) a good reason to refuse this duty until at least his and his wifes health was restored but b) I woud even more find those information being a good reason for the Foreign Office to tell Tolkien that his duties are not needed at this point in time. Because on one hand side they might not have known for sure in October how long the recovery would take and would rather prefer somebody of better health so that they could be a bit more sure that this person would be available when the call has to be made and on the other hand side having to leave somebody ill at home to do the duty for you land might - if detected by the enemy - deliver a good opportunity for the enemy to try to blackmail somebody . Not that I would assume that Tolkien might have switched sides, but it might have robbed him of some energy needed to do this type of work. He might have written a note to the Foreign Office that due to his own and his wifes illnes he would not be able to do the service they requested at this point in time too - for me that would make sense why both sources get a different origin of why Tolkien was no part of the decoding group, so both sources might be right even though they seem to be mutually exclusive. |
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I had always understood from the note to Letter# 35 that it was the FO who told Tolkien his services were not required. The text of Wayne and Christina's note on the matter reads:
But in October 1939 he was informed that his servcies would not be required for the present, and in the event he never worked as a cryptographer.
There was a thread on Tolkien and Bletchley Park some time ago, but I am afraid don't have the reference.
As for the line in the report:
A GCHQ historian, who would not give his name for security reasons
then why on earth should anyone trust what he/she says? A security risk- what a joke! Edited by halfir - 16/Sep/2009 at 3:52pm |
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Agreed!
Typical Torigraph ...
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Here's a link to an article by Wired magazine
look Here After Tolkien served in World War I (at right in 1916), most notably at the gruesome Battle of the Somme, he evidently decided his time would be better spent spinning mega-yarns about furry half-pints and fairy elves. Is it me, or is the art of writing for journals becoming more and more mindless? (the writer's only source seems to be Wikipedia, so to 'mindless' we can add 'lazy' and 'indiscriminating'.) To reduce the tragedy of the Battle of the Somme to one word - and to shove that in, as a sort of rationale for Tolkien's writings, would smack of the obscene - if it were worth considering for more than a moment. Edited by geordie - 19/Sep/2009 at 9:53pm |
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Going back a bit - regarding Tolkien's salary. I don't know what it was in 1939, but according to the Scull-Hammond, Tolkien's salary at Leeds was £800 pa in 1925. When he moved to Oxford his stipend was £1,000. So Dorwiniondil's estimate sounds about right.
I don't know about T. having to stay at Bletchley - it sounds as if Tolkien would be expected to do the work in addition to his responsibilities to the University, and that would be difficult if he had to live on site. Apropos nothing much; some Oxford colleges were taken over by the Foreign Office and/or the War Office - 200 women stationed at Bletchley Park were billeted at Keble. They were transferred to and from Bletchley in what were known as the 'Beauty Buses'! Tolkien's friend and fellow member of the 'Cave', Leonard Rice-Oxley, was a tutor at Keble and, what with being too old for military service and being a bachelor, stayed on at the college and got some teasing from his friends in the English faculty for being the only man among 200 women! |
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" A record of his training carries the word ''keen'' beside his name". - a poster on another site suggests that it possibly refers not to Tolkien's feelings about the job, but to the correct pronunciation of his surname (ie:Tolkeen). So maybe he wasn't so eager to do the job as the article implies.... |
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The Telegraph article (as we went on in our reply on the Mythsoc List) is such a mess. Even had Tolkien gone to work in cryptography, he wouldn't have been a "spy" as the headline has it. Nor was he necessarily "'earmarked' to crack Nazi codes" -- some of the personnel at Bletchley Park were there as language, not cipher, specialists. Its staff were already, before 1939, reading messages enciphered on Enigmas -- the commercial variety if not the more difficult German army and navy Enigmas. The Royal Navy did not exactly use the secret German traffic "to intercept and destroy Hitler's U-Boats", as doing so would have given away the fact that Enigma was not impenetrable. And so forth, and so on. Did the GCHQ historian get things wrong? Did the reporter misunderstand or misquote? Both, maybe. The historian is quoted as making the unwarranted assumption that Tolkien "failed to join" because "he wanted to concentrate on his writing career", and the rather silly remark that "perhaps it was because we declared war on Germany and not Mordor"; and then the reporter carries on in the same vein, with statements such as "the director of GCCS, known only as 'Alastair G. Denniston'", as if Alastair Denniston were an unknown figure, when in fact he's well known in the history of British cryptanalysis. Wayne and Christina |
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This latest post by Findegil is as always, spot-on! I've seen it referred to (or, more often, quoted in full) on several other sites. I think it's excellent. Thanks, Wayne & Christina.
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I doubt it considering Letter 390- "I do not really belong inside my invented history; and do not wish to!"


The historian was likely attempting a joke at Tolkien getting lost in his own fantasy world, but there is also a funny historical meaning. Leading up to both world wars Germany had hoped Britain would side with them because of their historical family ties (Hanovers) and mutual admiration for eachother.




