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  1. LúthienTinúviel's Avatar
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    As you probably guessed, I am not making a good use of my time on my vacation, as I have browsed every single Tolkien character on the web and know everything Wikipedia and every other site had to say. As a result of this, I'm bored. So, to occupy my time, I searched "Figwit". And now I just have to share what I have found on Tolkien Gateway and Wikipedia! Enjoy!



    Figwit:
    Figwit (also known as Aegnor and Elf Escort) is the fan-derived name for an Elf extra in Peter Jackson's film version of The Lord of the Rings.
    He soared into a popularity far exceeding his place in the movies when
    he was perceived as an extremely beautiful character by female fans() -
    and some slash writers. He is played by Bret McKenzie, the son of actor Peter McKenzie. The name comes from a reaction of Tolkien fan Iris Hadad, when Frodo says he will take the Ring, and the film switches to a short shot where Figwit can be seen, and Hadad's initial reaction was "Frodo is grea...Who is THAT?!?" (Figwit is greater, at least on hotness terms). He also is the "Elf Escort" (and is so named in the Return of the King credits) for Arwen in The Return of the King.Director Peter Jackson stated in the DVD commentary for The Return of the King
    that Figwit was called back and given dialogue in the third film "just
    for fun for the fans" because "so much fuss has been made about him
    over the last couple of years".
    I forgot to mention that Hadad and her friend created a site called figwitlives.net. As I was saying,


    Though he only appeared for about three seconds in the first film,
    Figwit's popularity soon blossomed, with Hadad stating that "[the fan
    site] got a lot of emails from people who thought they were the only
    ones who had noticed that handsome, dark-haired elf".<sup id="cite_ref-guardian_5-0" ="reference"></sup>
    Figwit's physical appearance and demeanor are the source of much of his
    popularity: he has been noted for his "lithe and graceful" movement,<sup id="cite_ref-telegraph_6-0" ="reference"></sup>"enigmatic broodiness", "haughty demeanor", and "pouty" looks.<sup id="cite_ref-usatoday_2-1" ="reference"></sup>
    His fan website proclaims him "in a word, gorgeous. Or another,
    stunning... hypnotic... stupendous... captivating... take your pick."<sup id="cite_ref-tor&#111;ntostar_7-0" ="reference"></sup>
    McKenzie has stated that the Figwit obsession is "weird", though he is "flattered".<sup id="cite_ref-newsround_8-0" ="reference"></sup>He has remarked that "it's so hilarious because it's been propelled by so little... I'm famous for doing nothing."(Hello?!?! Being GORGEOUS!!!)
    Figwit has been a popular subject of poetry, art, discussion,filks.<sup id="cite_ref-tor&#111;ntostar_7-1" ="reference"></sup>He is also a popular subject in slash fan fiction, where he is often named "Melpomaen", a rough, literal Elvish translation of "fig" and "wit", derived from melpo, the Quenya word for fruit (fig),<sup id="cite_ref-12" ="reference"></sup> and maen, the Noldorin word for clever or skilled.


    Meorof:
    While not as popular as his "brother" Figwit, Meorof was dubbed this title being a Mysterious Elf On (the) Right of Figwit, thus:Meorof. He is played by Blair Morton, and, obviously, appears on the right of Figwit.


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    Yes, Bret McKenzie from Flight of the Conchords. I made a thread about it a few days ago...

    <a href="http://www.lotrplaza.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=236674" target="_blank">http://www.lotrplaza.com/forum/forum...asp?TID=236674
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    His father played Elendil, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fingolfin of Hithlum
    His father played Elendil, you know.
    Did I forget to mention that? AGHHH...... I can see the resemblance though!

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    Bloody nepotism. The bane of those movies.

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    "Bloody nepotism. The bane of those movies"




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    Geordie: what is? Elendil, or the Figwit obsession? Sorry I usually don't get these things silly me.
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    No, nepotism is. Though personally if I had to pick a bane I'd probably say something else. Lack of subtlety, most likely.

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    Oh, all right. Bloody nepotism is one of the many banes of the movies.



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    I wouldn't consider nepotism a fault or a plus, and I certainly haven't heard that word being used to describe anything outside The Reformation.

    The bane of the movies (alongside the fabrication), in my opinion, was the silly and over the top humour and the action.


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    Going back to the original post: I see this thread is based on something taken from Wikipedia which, as we all know, is nothing but a tissue of lies (when applied to Tolkien that is). Don't believe me? Look at this where we're told

    English and Welsh is the title of J. R. R. Tolkien's valedictory address to the University of Oxford of 1955, explaining the origin of the word "Welsh".

    I ask you!

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    I certainly haven't heard that word being used to describe anything outside The Reformation.

    That's only because you don't get out much! - and anyway, if you baulk at the word nepotism outside of a XVIth century context, how come you're using the word 'bane' in the modern usage? Hmm? Answer me that.

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    Yeah, I did have to edit some of it, but the Tolkien Gateway was helpful. Screw you, Wiki!
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    Well, Tolkien Gateway gives its unsuspecting readers the same misinformation on Tolkien's lecture 'English and Welsh'.

    English and Welsh is the title of J.R.R. Tolkien's valedictory address to the University of Oxford of 1955, explaining the origin of the word "Welsh". In a lengthy sidenote, Tolkien discusses his notions of "native tongue" as opposed to "cradle tongue", and of an inherited taste of language. The lecture sheds light on Tolkien's conceptions of the connections of race, ethnicity and language.

    The thing is that Tolkien delivered his Valedictory address to the University of Oxford on his retirement in 1959; and his lecture English and Welsh in 1955. The two are not related. So, both websites are spouting rubbish. Clearly one site uses a fool as a writer; the other a fool and a plagiarist. Best to shun both sites. If either of them told me it's raining, I'd go to the window and check for myself.

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    I use Wikipedia as a lore source occassionaly for common questions, although not for Welsh....I love the movies except for no Grey Company, and you are all crazy. Happy New Year!

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    Geordie, I swear you sound like my mother!!! She says to be careful of Wiki, cause some (or a lot) of the information is incorrect due to the..."information peeps"....not using reliable sources. But since this is about the films, it's probably more likely to be true than something about the books due to....*cough* certain people....using the films as their base of info for Wiki. Screw you, Wiki info peeps!
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    Geordie, I swear you sound like my mother!!!

    Thank you; I'm flattered. Sounds like a sensible woman.

    *completely unrelated question - in the picture in the first post, why does the young man look like he's swallowed a goldfish?



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    Wikipedia can be useful- and generally it is always up-to-date with things.


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    Geordie:
    And about the goldfish, he's trying to save his <strike>slave-driver's </strike>....I mean...*cough* Elrond's daughter from running off to her precious dragon-slaying Eragon and dying because of that,so he's in shock. And I don't get why they think Brett and Orlando are good looking....

    Eldy: Sorry I forgot to mention this earlier, thanks for the Wiki link to what that was.

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    Tree - I don't know; I never use Wiki. I've only ever glanced at it's entries on Tolkien occassionally, out of curiosity. I find it lacking in accuracy, and in citations. In general, I find it about as useful as David Day's books, which is to say, no use at all. Being up to date is no advantage in this case (and I can keep up to date myself, thanks to printed publications such as Tolkien Studies and the Walking Tree Press; and the Tolkien Collector, and other invaluable, accurate and verifiable sources.)



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    Do you know how happy I feel sometimes that Christopher Tolkien loves his father's fans enough to have edited and published The Silmarillion, HoMe, Unfinished Tales,etc.? Now, all we (or I, I believe you have them all) need is the complete set of valid Tolkien info! Sadly, my library doesn't carry all of them, and it takes about two days to make a transition from another library, and I can't have any of them that I don't own for longer than 6 weeks. Screw Half Price Books for not carrying all of this!
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    Luthien -

    And - going back to the nepotism angle; or 'keeping it in the family', if Tree prefers - let's make a list...


    ...pJ and his kids...

    the actor Figwit and his dad Elendil...

    Vigo and his son wotsisname...

    Oh, and pJ talked Tolkien's great-grandson Royd into appearing in an EE scene, too. But that's ok; he actually is one of the family, and a nice bloke to speak to, as well. Very polite.

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    Royd was in the EE only? Cause I could swear that scene is in the theatrical version....
    Viggo had a son in the film? Who the heck did he play? I never heard that one....Unless Sadwyn Brophy is really Viggo's son. That name is so stupid! Who the heck would name their kid Sadwyn?

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    Mmm, no - Viggo's son is called Henry. Sadwyn Brophy is son of Jed Brophy.

    Actually, on looking up the cast on the internet, I see I owe young Mortensen an apology. It was not he who was the dishevelled, pie-faced youth at Helm's Deep, but young Calum Gittins, son of la Boyens. Still; nepotism at its creeping, crawling worst...grrr...



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    Wait, so Viggo's son is not in the films? And I didn't think so about Sadwyn, I remember reading about a year ago he was the son of....some actor. And weren't Elanor and Frodo (Gamgee) Sean Austin's RL children? Or, Elanor at least....?
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    "weren't Elanor and Frodo (Gamgee) Sean Austin's RL children? Or, Elanor at least....?"

    Yes, Elanor was- Astin has only one child.

    We're forgetting the biggest piece of nepotism there is! Peter and Fran!


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    Whoa, Peter is related to...Fran? How? OME, this could be crazier than plaza relations!! BTW Tree, how are we related?
    And who else is related to someone else in the films?

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    "Wait, so Viggo's son is not in the films?"

    The only role I recall him being mentioned in is as an orc extra from the Pelennor. The first one that <strike>Viggo</strike> Aragorn kills after coming off the ships, I believe.

    "Whoa, Peter is related to...Fran?"

    They are married and have two kids and have been together for at least 15 years or so. They have a sort-of-cameo in Bang End: the two small portraits hanging over the fireplace there are of Walsh and PJ.

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    Not that it matters one way or the other; but I don't think Walsh and pJ are married. It seems to depend on which net source you read.



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    I've heard both. Judging the validity of something found on the internet being a tricky business though I admit that I can't say for sure.

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    Actually Sadwyn is a family name. And he Auditioned for the part.His dad was quite resistant to him being in the film....and is very proud and protective....beware.



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    If Elves aren't supposed to have beards then make-up made a right mess of McKenzie's appearance.
    He looks like a lot of the women hanging around King's Cross at 4 in the morning.........

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